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1. fsflov+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-11-02 12:35:28
> But are personalized Facebook ads really an example of this?

Yes:

Facebook proven to negatively impact mental health (tau.ac.il)

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Facebook collecting people's data even when accounts are deactivated (digiday.com)

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Facebook test asks users if they're worried a friend is 'becoming an extremist' (cnn.com)

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Testimony to House committee by former Facebook executive Tim Kendall (house.gov)

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2. hartat+N5[view] [source] 2023-11-02 13:08:01
>>fsflov+(OP)
All of this are far from material harms. Compared to what governments can do and are doing.
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3. Thorre+28[view] [source] 2023-11-02 13:20:12
>>fsflov+(OP)
The 1st and 3rd link don't seem related to ads. The 4th link isn't loading for me, so I can't tell if it's related to ads. It's not clear to me that the 2nd link will be impacted by this new EU regulation.
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4. kibwen+r9[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-02 13:27:48
>>hartat+N5
Not only is Facebook a tool of oppressive governments, Facebook's own annual revenue is larger than the GDP of 2/3 of the countries in the world. I don't understand why people have this blind spot when it comes to giving corporations a pass on things that they'd criticize a government for. Most corporations are expressly authoritarian organizations, more so than many governments. Neither Facebook users nor Facebook employees can vote Zuckerberg out.
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5. fsflov+zy[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-02 15:22:04
>>Thorre+28
Personalized ads means personalized tracking. The consequences are my links.
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6. hartat+YB[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-02 15:34:48
>>kibwen+r9
Still I haven't heard about Facebook killing anyone.
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7. fsflov+aD3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-03 10:10:40
>>hartat+YB
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8. Thorre+CY3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-03 12:49:01
>>fsflov+zy
Removing the ads doesn't remove the personalized tracking AFAIK. The personalized tracking remains AFAIK.

And what's the definition of tracking? It's not clear to me if links 1,3,4 are related to personalized tracking. For example, is TikTok remembering what videos you wanted for how long and showing you recommendations based on your watch history personalized tracking?

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9. fsflov+z54[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-03 13:23:35
>>Thorre+CY3
The whole discussion is about banning the tracking, not ads. Tracking is defined in GDPR as storing personal information without consent or necessity.

> is TikTok remembering what videos you wanted for how long and showing you recommendations based on your watch history personalized tracking?

Yes, if I did not give consent to create a profile on me.

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10. Thorre+V79[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-05 03:13:04
>>fsflov+z54
>The whole discussion is about banning the tracking, not ads.

That's not how I interpreted the conversation. The article says:

>a ban imposed by non-EU member Norway on "behavioural advertising" on Facebook and Instagram

That seems to be banning tracking for ads, but tracking for timeline suggestions and friend suggestions would still be allowed.

And the comment I replied to seemed to be about ads:

>>But are personalized Facebook ads really an example of this?

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11. fsflov+1hc[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-11-06 07:40:55
>>Thorre+V79
The reason for the ban is GDPR. And it's not about ads but consent.
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