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1. prmous+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-10-05 08:41:48
It doesn't seem to annoy people who buy cars. In fact usually cars that were released 5 years before had most of their quirks known and ironed out through a midlife revamp or the model or scheduled preventive replacement of known parts breaking at a specific mileage. Just released one tend to be more of a problem to first gen owners reliability wise.

I rely on my smartphone for work, I'd rather buy a 4y old model known to be reliable than a brand knew one that ends up preventing me to call 911 or whose screen die randomly and unexpectedly.

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2. rezona+K7[view] [source] 2023-10-05 10:06:40
>>prmous+(OP)
To be fair, a car is widely expected to last 12 years or longer, has relatively simple software and computer systems, and has no (or limited) access to your personal data. They are also typically a much larger investment.

The phone on the other hand is connected to every facet of your life and has a software stack that absolutely contains security flaws waiting to be found and exploited.

Apple has always worked to keep devices secure longer, at least up until now having the best long term support. My favorite part of the Pixel 8 is that Google is attempting to match and exceed what Apple's done so far.

Phone performance and features are definitely not changing fast enough for older devices to no longer be useful, even for affluent audiences. I hope support windows continue to get longer so that folks who must use or choose to use older devices can remain secure.

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3. prmous+7d[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 11:01:29
>>rezona+K7
> The phone on the other hand is connected to every facet of your life and has a software stack that absolutely contains security flaws waiting to be found and exploited.

This is an entirely different subject. The software can be upgraded/updated during the life of the mobile phone. And when it comes to chip makers mistakes, which led to vulns like Spectres, they are likely to affect several generations of chips anyway.

4. tricer+yB[view] [source] 2023-10-05 13:48:44
>>prmous+(OP)
Used car sales outstrip new car sales 3:1.[1] I didn't bother looking up the same number for cellphones but it's nowhere near that ratio. That should be your second clue that cars and phones are very different.

Obviously the first clue is cars are not phones.

1. https://www.statista.com/statistics/183713/value-of-us-passe...

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5. prmous+WC[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 13:55:34
>>tricer+yB
Well I set a rule fairly recently 3years ago that I would only buy second hand electronic devices unless I can't find anything decent.

Most people don't care about waste so I know I am part of a small fraction.

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6. tricer+wD[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 13:58:10
>>prmous+WC
No snark: that's very admirable. Have an upvote.
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