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1. Kolmog+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-10-04 17:07:16
I think the point of the OP is that after ~5 years (when you have to change your battery), your iPhone is not worth $890 dollars anymore, but more like $200-$300, out of which $89 is a significant portion.
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2. _aavaa+P[view] [source] 2023-10-04 17:09:39
>>Kolmog+(OP)
Except this analysis is flawed since you're not going to find a new equivalent replacement for 200-300$
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3. phaer+e1[view] [source] 2023-10-04 17:11:05
>>Kolmog+(OP)
Not sure why you would consider the suspected re-sale value of the phone here?

From a users perspective the question would seem to be whether they want to spend $89 for a battery or $890 (maybe minus that re-sale value of 200-300, so still around $600) on a new phone.

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4. argsnd+32[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 17:14:29
>>_aavaa+P
After 5 years you might...
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5. JohnBo+52[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 17:14:38
>>_aavaa+P
Right, but you could sell (or more realistically, trade in) your phone for perhaps $200-300.
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6. _aavaa+N2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 17:16:53
>>argsnd+32
Apple does not sell a 200$ phone. And 200$ android phones do not have the build quality of an 800$ one, even if it's 5 years old.
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7. _aavaa+q3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 17:19:01
>>JohnBo+52
I don't know if you've ever tried trading in an old phone, but nobody is giving you 200$ for a 5 year old phone.

But say they do. You now need to find a 289-389$ phone (which will cost you 89$ out of pocket) that gives you the same experience.

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8. Bossin+46[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 17:28:16
>>argsnd+32
A 2nd hand one, that'll suffer the same battery issues at best
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9. notato+l6[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 17:29:41
>>_aavaa+P
if by "equivalent" you mean a new modern flagship phone, then no, you won't find one. but a $200 new phone this year is at least the equivalent of a pixel phone from five years ago.

nobody's going to say that, for example, this isn't at least as good as a pixel 3: https://www.amazon.ca/OnePlus-Android-Display-Unlocked-Charg...

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10. fatfin+z7[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 17:34:05
>>phaer+e1
> whether they want to spend $89 for a battery or $890

No, they can pay less than $120 on a new phone in the budget tier which will be at least comparable in capabilities to a 5 year old phone in any tier and also have about 2 years of life.

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11. turtle+18[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 17:35:30
>>_aavaa+N2
You can find carrier locked iPhone SE's for $150, you can get a free iPhone with a postpaid contract as well.
12. sho_hn+p9[view] [source] 2023-10-04 17:40:37
>>Kolmog+(OP)
Swapping the battery means you save the carbon footprint of manufacturing the non-battery parts, which have a pretty high cost to all of us in aggregate that should somehow factor into the "is it worth to keep it going" equation. I wonder how we can make that happen.

My current phone is an S21 that's facing a plethora of failures (screen damage, flaky USB-C connector, weak battery, back cover delaminating) that are all individually fixable, but altogether I also find it hard to resist the pull of getting a new phone at that stage when I add up the numbers.

But I feel increasingly really bad about not trying harder to go repair-first. Also because there's otherwise virtually no tech/feature reason to "upgrade" from something as recent as an S21 these days.

13. Humbly+9a[view] [source] 2023-10-04 17:43:08
>>Kolmog+(OP)
So? They're not investments. They're simply devices.

But, let's go with this. After ~5 years, phones will sell for $990 (up from 5 years ago @ $890). 990 - 250 (splitting the difference) is what ... 740? That's a LOT more than $89 (or even 99 in 5 years).

If my phone is still up to date and performant enough for my tasks, I would be stupid not to pay 99 vs 740.

14. SirMas+Me[view] [source] 2023-10-04 18:02:38
>>Kolmog+(OP)
He said cost of a new phone though.

If we assume the user wants to buy a new phone in the same tier as the one they have now.

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15. GeekyB+jg[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 18:08:49
>>fatfin+z7
If they are price sensitive, they would have gone for something like the $399 2016 iPhone SE, which is currently in it's seventh year of support, having gotten another security update last month.

That works out to around fifty bucks per supported year, and you aren't creating a mountain of e-waste by throwing away a perfectly good phone every other year.

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16. deergo+oh[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 18:13:37
>>fatfin+z7
I don’t know how happy many people would be going from a $900 flagship to a base-tier budget phone.

Granted it might be faster (though looking at Geekbench scores between budget Android phones [0] and the 5-year-old iPhone XS [1] I’m not overly convinced of that either), but the price of manufacturing “nice” doesn’t drop nearly as fast as silicon.

Budget phones often compromise on build and camera and screen quality (even though the latter two often look great on spec sheets) and I think the average person would notice that far more than raw performance.

[0] https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/13300565

[1] https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/cpu/8426067

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17. fatfin+hn[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 18:40:14
>>deergo+oh
Pixel 3:

https://browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/2900039

Aside from all the other problems a genuine pixel 3 (or iPhone XS) battery is bellow 3000 mah, so like replacing your redmi battery with a defective one.

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18. HJain1+dv[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 19:16:03
>>notato+l6
>nobody's going to say that, for example, this isn't at least as good as a pixel 3: https://www.amazon.ca/OnePlus-Android-Display-Unlocked-Charg...

In terms of Camera, Haptics, Construction material it probably isn't

19. kelnos+cX[view] [source] 2023-10-04 21:15:43
>>Kolmog+(OP)
If so, that's a pretty disingenuous way to look at it. If I'm going to be comparing the cost of a battery replacement with an alternative, that alternative is going to be "buying a new phone". The depreciated value of my current phone is irrelevant.
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20. kelnos+tX[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 21:17:25
>>notato+l6
And the (Android) phone from five years ago won't be getting OS or security updates. Granted, your current phone that needs the new battery probably isn't getting them either. In which case, why not just pay $80 to get the battery replaced in your current phone?
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21. fatfin+ta1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 22:37:13
>>GeekyB+jg
Buying something like the Samsung A14 every 4 years would cost about the same and seems a lot more realistic than aspirational.

I think its great that phones are being supported for 7 years but in a way it is a marketing chip based on consumer's using unrealistic linear depreciation.

Some consumers can pass down, repurpose, or only need very basic things, but most consumers need much of the relative performance they first bought, break screens, can't handle embedded battery replacement logistics, etc, so most probably have replaced something like the iPhone SE before 4 years is up and are paying more than they would have expected.

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22. GeekyB+gj1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 23:54:02
>>fatfin+ta1
> most consumers need much of the relative performance

The single core performance of the current Samsung A14 is about a third of the currently sold iPhone SE.

If you're going to keep the same device many years, don't buy something with slow performance right out of the gate.

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23. fatfin+M02[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 08:01:32
>>GeekyB+gj1
The A14 equivalent in 4 years is going to be faster than the current iPhone SE, not broken, and IMO more likely to survive the 3 years.
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24. GeekyB+Ih2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 10:55:48
>>fatfin+M02
Given Samsung's use of bottom of the barrel Mediatek SOCs and slow RAM? I doubt it.
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25. fatfin+u14[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 20:12:57
>>GeekyB+Ih2
To me that's just a marketing induced cognitive blind spot. You don't have to know what $200 phone you buy in 4 years, but you want to harp on one 90% imaginary one you will hate when there's almost no chance a choice made 4 years in advance is better than all possible choices with actual information. If for example, mediatek continues to widen their gap then Samsung will choose another one that can match the last generation in Moore's law.

A refurbished iPhone SE 2023 that has a new battery and working screen is probabilistically worth more than the iPhone 2023 you buy today, and will be less than $200 unless there's a serious shortage because they have a high failure rate?

In my thinking the cost of similar products in an industry like tech is the best available estimate of how much environmental damage is involved (I.e. upgrading tooling is itself likely to produce waste) so planning to buy a $400 phone once every 7 years and actually buying one every 2 is much worse than trying to get 3-4 years out of what people have tried to make with popular runs of somewhat outdated commodity parts.

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