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18. ForkMe+t3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 15:33:27
>>jodupl+L1
That strip is part of the deal if you're buying a pixel.

https://www.gsmarena.com/google_pixel_6-pictures-11037.php

https://www.gsmarena.com/google_pixel_7-pictures-11903.php

https://www.gsmarena.com/google_pixel_8-pictures-12546.php

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43. Scene_+c6[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 15:43:47
>>sho_hn+44
Not the strongest sources, but:

https://www.gsmarena.com/newscomm-60107.php - comments tipped me off; then googling for "pixel 8 GN2; last hour" gets me links like https://www.androidauthority.com/google-pixel-8-pro-release-... where the cache has the reference but the current page doesn't.

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55. xnx+t7[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 15:48:53
>>syncbe+84
I couldn't find a comprehensive history of all the features that have debuted on a new phone and then been allowed on older phones, but it's fairly common. 2 examples are listed here: https://www.phonearena.com/news/pixel-6-series-gets-pixel-7-...
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59. xnx+Y7[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 15:50:21
>>cantSp+V6
Google Plus had this feature in 2013: https://www.dpreview.com/articles/1400574775/hands-on-with-g....
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78. flotza+rc[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 16:07:35
>>e12e+A3
The Pixel 7 Pro only has one eSIM chip too, which you're using with the MEP (Multiple Enabled Profiles) feature:

"This feature allows devices to have dual SIM support using a single eSIM chip, which can have multiple SIM profiles and can connect to two different carriers at the same time." https://source.android.com/docs/core/connect/esim-mep

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103. fullst+gt[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 17:08:26
>>panark+vb
This isn't entirely true. I have a Pixel 7 Pro and T-Mobile -- updates can be delayed by the carrier.

https://9to5google.com/2023/01/12/google-pixel-t-mobile-upda...

121. dang+r11[view] [source] 2023-10-04 19:31:06
>>alphab+(OP)
Related ongoing thread:

Pixel 8 to have seven years of Android updates - >>37766122 - Oct 2023 (269 comments)

126. nneonn+D31[view] [source] 2023-10-04 19:40:56
>>alphab+(OP)
Cool, maybe they can fix emergency calling sometime in that seven year window? https://www.androidauthority.com/psa-google-pixel-911-emerge...
127. esafak+G31[view] [source] 2023-10-04 19:41:09
>>alphab+(OP)
So they are incorporating that group-portrait-correction feature (RealFill) after all.

>>37708292

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132. fullst+M41[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 19:45:11
>>sphars+fZ
In this particular case, yes, but the update can still be blocked by the carrier. People have been successful in updating the device by temporarily putting the SIM from another carrier in the phone.

My daughter's Pixel 5a update, for example, was delayed but it was purchased from Google.

To be clear, the update _does_ come directly from Google but the device won't show that the update is available until the carrier gives the green light. The factory image can still be sideloaded.

The P7P is the first phone that I've not purchased outright, and that's because TMO was willing to give me a ridiculously generous offer to trade in a OnePlus 7t.

edit: another link -- https://www.androidpolice.com/pixel-t-mobile-update-delayed/

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134. Sketch+651[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 19:46:14
>>krzyk+Zz
They seem fairly confident in it.

"Face Unlock on Pixel 8 now meets the strongest Android biometric class and can be used for banking app sign-in and payment apps like Google Wallet."

https://blog.google/products/pixel/google-tensor-g3-pixel-8/

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184. ezequi+pe1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 20:24:58
>>karoli+t91
Indeed, Apple compares on its website the iPhone 15 to the iPhone 12: "The A16 Bionic GPU is up to 40% faster than the GPU in iPhone 12" [1]. Maybe unsurprisingly, they don't use this comparison for the Pro line. r/iphone discussion here [2].

[1] https://www.apple.com/mt/iphone-15/

[2] https://www.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/16h13z3/why_are_the...

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208. deanc+aj1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 20:44:13
>>initpl+A91
Yeah. They're absolutely shooting themselves in the foot. Makes no sense to me at all as it's good advertising for their brand and people all around the world are going to be interested.

Here's an archive.is link which has most of the info [1]

[1] https://archive.ph/RuBSk

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217. omoika+Ok1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 20:50:53
>>willse+R7
Maybe the plan is to eventually have the phone include every possible sensor and do everything.

https://xkcd.com/2212/

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221. matsem+il1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 20:52:34
>>kimber+T71
In the iPhone 15 release they wrote "huge leap" 6 times. It felt like something to anchor the perception and to trick journalists to include it in a sentence. But when they say it so much, it kinda shines through that it's mostly just desperate words. "any man who must say I'm the king is no true king" vibes.

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2023/09/apple-debuts-iphone-1...

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249. theodr+go1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 21:05:57
>>matsem+il1
It's always the greatest iPhone ever! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPkso_6n0vs
269. timmit+Uq1[view] [source] 2023-10-04 21:19:58
>>alphab+(OP)
For the people who cannot visit the url above, try this, https://blog.google/products/pixel/google-pixel-8-pro/
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281. kimber+vt1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 21:33:14
>>tap-sn+dq1
This figure sourcing gallup has nearly half of Americans replacing their phone "as soon as their carrier allows it": https://www.fool.com/investing/general/2015/07/15/how-often-...
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282. kras14+zt1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 21:33:42
>>ireall+H1
Check this out https://murena.com/america/shop/smartphones/brand-new/murena...
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293. barbaz+Vu1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 21:40:42
>>cobert+Sc1
Possibly https://wiki.lineageos.org/devices/walleye/
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307. theuni+6y1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 22:00:12
>>011000+qc1
Be warned: The Pixel 5A has a manufacturer defect where they just die out of nowhere:

https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/11833075?hl=en

This just happened to me after 1.5 years of usage of my Pixel 5A.

Luckily Google extended the usual 1-year warranty to be 2-years to give free replacements (which I took advantage of and in fact was given a free upgrade to a 6A)... But be prepared for your phone to die out of nowhere.

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339. muxxa+DC1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 22:30:55
>>kimber+T71
Try out https://shop.fairphone.com/fairphone-5 for a repair/upgrade friendly alternative
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348. cmcale+qE1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 22:45:28
>>whatsc+QB1
Or there are such things as regional exclusives.

https://www.business-standard.com/article/companies/apple-ip...

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349. Barrin+QE1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-04 22:50:04
>>sanswo+8C1
> From where I'm sitting software is millions of times better today than it was in the 90s

I feel compelled to bring up this tweet from John Carmack I just saw a few hours ago. The most popular editor on the planet feels laggier than stuff Borland made in the 90s, on hardware probably a thousand times as fast. I don't know how anyone can say software is great with a straight face.

We have supercomputers in our pockets and on the slightly aged phone my dad refuses to upgrade from four years ago many apps lag. They display like 5 widgets or 20 rows of items at any given time

https://x.com/ID_AA_Carmack/status/1709651442762481877?s=20

395. dzhiur+OM1[view] [source] 2023-10-04 23:59:21
>>alphab+(OP)
dang this redirects to nest homepage for me in nz - perhaps direct product link would work better https://store.google.com/us/product/pixel_8_pro
400. Postos+2N1[view] [source] 2023-10-05 00:01:14
>>alphab+(OP)
Ahh... Classic!

https://www.theonion.com/new-device-desirable-old-device-und...

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425. rcarr+XP1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 00:31:38
>>grecy+hl1
It's already like this for ICE cars in the UK. So many people buy them on PCP deals and upgrade them every 3 to 4 years. It's pretty much a meme at this point about a certain kind of person:

https://youtu.be/J9n0_5p8XKo?si=dGwvSYAb676TVMEI

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449. fomine+aU1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 01:07:31
>>awill+ah1
Apple also failed emergency call (with a eSIM situation) and took three month to fix in Japan (where iPhone takes half of market share). https://asahi-net.jp/en/news/20211105_01.html https://www.kobonemi.com/entry/2021/12/16/iPhone-%E6%8A%80%E...
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473. lazyco+RW1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 01:33:55
>>bigstr+UM1
I think they meant blue bubbles? Green bubbles are SMS.

https://www.theverge.com/2022/1/10/22876067/google-apple-ios...

My teammates for a university assignment let out an audible groan when they found out I was the only one on an Android. I do have an iPad, so thankfully I was able to maintain communication regarding our team project.

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484. lazyco+AY1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 01:50:02
>>krzyk+Db
The keynote said 50 MP photos. https://youtu.be/rtESARyV15g?feature=shared&t=2563
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497. soulof+s12[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 02:25:30
>>kaba0+9n1
No, it's not unfair at all. Apple's gotten busted for this exact thing and had to shell out $500 million in damages.

https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/apple-to-start-paying-out-5...

> I really have a hard time with a realistic business model that would be significantly better.

Well this one might be good for business, but as you can see, it is extremely bad for the individual.

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521. chrono+f72[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 03:20:03
>>dmt0+y52
Looks like they're referring to:

>>36089104 https://youtu.be/4To-F6W1NT0?feature=shared

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553. Colour+fb2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 04:10:40
>>jmprsp+662
I use GrapheneOS, and I've donated to its development. To say that "None of the claims are true" and that they are "baseless" is incorrect.

Louis Rossman was a supporter of the project until he and Daniel had a failing out in which Daniel behaved inappropriately [1], all over a Youtube comment. There's proof for that and other claims [2, 4, 5].

Daniel can be a talented developer, privacy advocate and asshole at the same time.

It's sad to see him (and others, like yourself) say stuff like "examine the baseless claims", without providing any sources.

After all the drama with Calyxos, Techlore, Louis Rossmann etc, at some point one has to notice a pattern of behavior.

1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4To-F6W1NT0

2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx7CZ-2Bajg

3: https://github.com/AOSPAlliance/README/commit/cbd2a95cba7c2a...

4: https://web.archive.org/web/20210403012439/https://freenode....

5: https://web.archive.org/web/20210818110434/https://sethforpr...

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625. saagar+jt2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 07:58:54
>>winter+Yh2
Opening the Camera app on iPhone is one of the most demanding tasks it can possibly do. Doing it and doing it fast means powering up the image sensor and its supporting hardware (ISP, ML hardware, etc.) and immediately terminating all non-essential tasks on the device so it can dedicate it to this.

If you don’t believe me, there are paths hardcoded in the kernel (I’m not joking: https://github.com/search?q=repo%3Aapple-oss-distributions%2...) to very quickly reclaim memory for Camera to launch.

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646. jacoop+4z2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 08:51:38
>>goles+EV1
Didn't he step down? >>36089104
648. SCdF+8z2[view] [source] 2023-10-05 08:52:04
>>alphab+(OP)
https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705?hl=en&s...

7 years of support! Now we are talking!

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663. rantin+1F2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 09:57:36
>>nicbou+w2
Fun fact: Google did a Nexus 7 tablet with a 7" display.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexus_7_(2012)

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710. delfin+kY2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 12:44:39
>>fullst+M41
> People have been successful in updating the device by temporarily putting the SIM from another carrier in the phone.

You can also just update the phone using the OTA Google provides on a page and ADB to side load it.

https://developers.google.com/android/ota#cheetah

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712. delfin+CY2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 12:46:32
>>kelnos+sh1
>IIRC you can download the images from Google via web browser and flash manually, but not sure if you can still do that, and I've never tried it myself.

Yes you can still can. https://developers.google.com/android/ota#cheetah

In fact they even host all the images dating back to the Nexus lines still.

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721. coldpi+423[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 13:07:29
>>carliv+Ea2
Wayyy too big: https://phonesized.com/compare/#2176,1863
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736. tricer+C93[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 13:48:44
>>prmous+4y2
Used car sales outstrip new car sales 3:1.[1] I didn't bother looking up the same number for cellphones but it's nowhere near that ratio. That should be your second clue that cars and phones are very different.

Obviously the first clue is cars are not phones.

1. https://www.statista.com/statistics/183713/value-of-us-passe...

757. KETpXD+Pq3[view] [source] 2023-10-05 15:13:05
>>alphab+(OP)
If you own an older Pixel and want to enjoy the new software features, you can just side load the latest Android System Intelligence APK [0].

[0] https://www.apkmirror.com/apk/google-inc/device-personalizat...

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761. _susn+pu3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 15:27:58
>>medo-b+Mv2
> "pattern of behaviour" we approve of?

I think you are engaging in Whataboutism [1]. This does not make for a constructive discussion.

But lets take what you said in good faith.

I imagine most products I buy have a not so amazing CEO. That does not prevent me from criticizing one of the products I use most often. Furthermore, as the (former) lead developer, he had or has control of the signing keys, simply deleting (as he has done in the past) them would cause significant damage.

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

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762. rasz+Iu3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 15:29:46
>>chiefa+du1
Old trick. Regular Car Reviews 2013 Ford Fusion Titanium AWD: Regular Car Reviews https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIZdDi5V7M4
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768. starkp+FF3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-05 16:21:33
>>azzent+F53
You can build/install mmc-utils on the device (even from Google's repo,[1] if outdated) but can't access the storage device paths without root. If you're on a custom ROM, the mmc command might even be part of it.

1: https://android.googlesource.com/platform/external/mmc-utils...

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809. mgalgs+K87[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-06 17:57:51
>>coldpi+J5
Ditto! Help manufacturers see the demand for small Android phones by joining: https://smallandroidphone.com/
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827. Subzer+4Sg[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-10-10 12:40:51
>>mlegen+ta2
DivestOS is my project.

Here are the 170+ kernel CVE patches applied on top of what Lineage provides for Pixel 2 series: https://gitlab.com/divested-mobile/divestos-build/-/blob/mas...

Plus it just provides updates quicker, eg. the recent WebP CVE was first fixed in DivestOS before other aftermarket systems. https://divestos.org/pages/news

And provides rapid out-of-band WebView updates: https://divestos.org/misc/ch-dates.txt

See my other notes here: https://divestos.org/pages/patch_levels#osSecurity

And also this independent table: https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm

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