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"What can you do about it? Before you say "Home Assistant", let me stop you right there."

No let me stop you right there. All the good Hue stuff works with Zigbee so you can (and should) totally just run your own hub and bypass all of this; yes with home assistant!

That's really the best solution. You can just control the lights directly how you see fit without even talking to Phillips.

>>psyclo+(OP)
Can you? A relative was cleaning out some of their stuff and gave me some Philips Hue lightbulbs, but no hub. I have a Home Assistant setup with a number of Zigbee devices, but I had never found anyway to pair them direction via Zigbee, everything I saw required the hub. If there is a way, I'd like to hear it, I've just been using them as regular lightbulbs...

>>aquova+Nn
Power off the bulb. Turn your zigbee hub into pairing mode (it may always be in pairing mode). Turn on bulb. Should autopair in 30 secs or less.

My hue bulbs pair so aggressively to my zigbee hub that I have to block pairing on it to get new ones on the hue hub!

They may already be paired and you just never realized.

>>vorpal+cp
Side comment, I have some ZWave bulbs and they pair the same way.

>>aquova+Nn
Not reliably. There are people whose setup more or less works and they’re super loud about how everyone is wrong about the bugs, but a quick google will show you a giant army of people who have issues with it.

>>aquova+Nn
Of course you can. Use Zigbee2MQTT and buy one of the supported adapters (don’t get IKEA) and all your Zigbee devices will work. No cloud needed: https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/guide/adapters/

>>c0pium+qC
I may not know enough about the situation but I bought a set of bulbs a few months ago and they pretty much instantly connected to my Zigbee router connected to Home Assistant. Haven’t had any problems with them since (dimming & changing color temp).

>>psyclo+(OP)
this is a very silly comment.

yes they are zigbee, yes they work better with the Hue Hub (e.g. colour transitions). Phillips is significantly reducing the usability and value of their own products with this shitty decision.

>>vorpal+cp
I have no experience from Hue lights, but at least Ikea bulbs need to go to pairing mode if they were previously paired to something. Without it they cannot pair to new hub. With Ikea lights you get them into pairing mode by flicking the lights on and off 10 times.

>>c0pium+qC
I have been running Hue lights over zigbee and zigbee2mqtt/homeassistant for years. Get the right usb dongle and it just works.

>>vorpal+cp
I've had to force my Hue bulb into zigbee pairing mode by holding a Hue dimmer switch very close, then pressing and holding the on and off buttons until the light starts to flash and stops flashing, then releasing the on/off buttons.

>>c0pium+qC
See what I mean?

>>psyclo+(OP)
I don't like home assistant. Everything is based off state changes which is just so stupid.

Ie instead of sending a "home_button_clicked" event, it has to work with: button_click=none -> button_click=home -> delay() -> button_click=none. Just a ridiculous architecture.

Obvious thing is to make it completely event based where certain events change state, ie discrete event=home_button_clicked which has the side-effect of setting event_last_button_clicked when that event is triggered.

They've done it completely the wrong way around and it annoys the hecky out of me.