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1. lisper+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-09-24 17:19:17
Sorry, I am very confused here. The comment I was responding to said:

> to make that bullshit even worse, Texas continued to use hypnosis induced testimony until 2021.

That is a sentiment with which I sympathize. But then...

> It makes me wonder when the last death penalty sentence for "shaken baby syndrome" was in Texas.

This I don't get. Shaken baby syndrome is a real thing, and it seems to me that if someone shakes a baby to death they are guilty of murder (or at least negligent homicide) and should be treated no differently than if their victim had been older. What does it have to do with hypnosis?

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2. beeran+X9[view] [source] 2023-09-24 18:17:26
>>lisper+(OP)
It's all about labels. To discredit and manipulate.

Because 4th/5th amendment issues aside, if an interrogation or testimony via hypnosis is verifiable, who cares if hypnosis is 'real' or 'junk science'?

If a man shakes a baby and that baby dies, who cares if 'SBS' is 'junk science'? It's still murder.

The label shouldn't automatically validate (or invalidate/discredit) the underlying information/ action/ admission.

3. Aeolun+Ha[view] [source] 2023-09-24 18:22:18
>>lisper+(OP)
I think the point is that you don’t get shaken dead babies without visible external trauma.

So saying it’s ‘shaken baby syndrome’ just because there are internal injuries is junk science.

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4. lisper+Rh[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-09-24 19:06:05
>>Aeolun+Ha
> you don’t get shaken dead babies without visible external trauma.

According to the Mayo Clinic you can:

"While sometimes there's bruising on the face, you may not see signs of physical injury to the child's outer body."

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5. coldte+yo[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-09-24 19:57:36
>>lisper+Rh
Mayo Clinic's info is just a popular science article, with very high level information and suggestions.

It doesn't get into the nuance, nor is intended as a validation for facile forensic based witch-hunting.

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6. beeran+0p[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-09-24 20:02:28
>>Aeolun+Ha
Actually opposite.

Many forms of trauma can cause these injuries (especially 'trio'), but alone and without matching external trauma, shaking becomes the most likely cause.

Which isn't to say that shaking couldn't also cause some external trauma.

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7. Aeolun+gP[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-09-24 23:48:52
>>beeran+0p
Isn’t the whole premise of the original article that the thing has been proven to be junk?

Just the fact it’s on mayoclinic doesn’t mean all that much.

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