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>>anders+(OP)
Oh come on - don't you want for all your bulbs to be turned on already _before_ you get back home? It's a gamechanger!

>>baal80+H
I'd just like mine to turn to a brown hue when any of the bathrooms in my household are occupied.

>>baal80+H
What is a game changer is to be able to just turn off everything in the house when I leave, and know the iron will be off, along with all the lights.

It's not critically important, but the many individually small conveniences add up.

>>anders+(OP)
I do have real use-case, though : lights on a cable system, but long enough to light different areas (dining table AND couch, for instance). It's quite convenient to be able to control each area separately, instead of needing to turn them all on or all off.

>>anders+(OP)
Internet of Trash would be a better name (same IoT abbrev.)

>>thetoo+B2
You probably don't need to be able to control them over the internet though…

>>acadap+C2
Too bad this ship has sailed long ago.

>>vidarh+b2
Convenience will destroy the world.

>>acadap+C2
How about the Internet of Turds? It keeps both the initials and the flavour.

>>baal80+H
Being able to remotely make sure the coffee machine isn't powered is the true game changer.

Having the lights turn off automatically when there's nobody home is also nice though.

>>thetoo+B2
You're thinking of KNX.

>>vidarh+b2
Turn off the main switch ?

>>anders+(OP)
https://twitter.com/internetofshit

>>dustyp+Wg
No, because I don't want my termostat to switch off, my clocks to reset, my home server to go down every time I go to the shops or have a meeting. And no, I'm not about to rewire the house to provide isolated circuits just for the things I don't want to switch off, when I could instead just replace a few light switches and plug in a few smart plugs.

I can assure you pretty much nobody goes to their fuse board and trips the main switch even when going on holiday, much less during their day to day life. Many of the people who don't do that still tend to turn off as much as possible when leaving the house.

>>ameliu+i4
I highly doubt the ability to turn my lights off over a network will destroy the world.

And if you're concerned about internet access, there are plenty of hubs for smart projects that don't need internet access. Some don't even need or have wifi capability, but can be wired physically into a dmz with an open source home automation system like Home Assistant. There are USB dongles with Zigbee support as well that you plug straight into your open source based home automation box if you want.

That said: Most people just don't care most of the time, because for most peoples use the worst possible consequence is being slightly inconvenienced.

E.g. should my Lightwave RF gateway get bricked, the worst case scenario is that my Lightwave switches revert to being dumb switches and I'll be slightly annoyed I won't be able to voice control them.

Hardly world-destroying stuff.

What's slightly different here is that this is a new move for Hue (it's not for any number of other smart home providers people happily sign up for online services from), and so some subset of their customers will feel compelled to switch zigbee bridges and incur a cost. (But if you're price sensitive, why the hell are you using Hue in the first place?)

>>baal80+H
Honestly? This is what sold me on them. That might not make sense to everyone, but at more northern latitudes it's really nice to have them come on before you get home and before you wake up.

>>little+h3
Hue lights are zigbee. There are zigbee USB controllers, and they're supported by Home Assistant etc., so if you want you can easily enough set it up totally isolated and firewalled off. You just won't be able to use the official app and bridge.

>>vidarh+b2
Seems like cheap auto off timers and simple motion detector lights would solve all those problems with 1970s technology and no network connections at all.

>>theshr+L6
Coffeemakers usually turn themselves off? My $12 one does.

>>yomlic+KI1
I thought about putting in motion detectors for my lights.

Then I remembered I have cats.

>>yomlic+KI1
If you always leave and come back at same time, sure. If you dont, fiddling with timer to turn on power just because you got off work early would be a bit of a bother.

>>mrguyo+oX1
Some have heater that keeps it warm indefinitely. We had mechanical timer for that one in our old job.

Well, it was reason why it was installed, but what actually was used for is that we set up coffee to brew before leaving work and the timer turned it on right before people started coming to the office so we were welcomed by smell of fresh coffee

>>yomlic+KI1
Motion detectors generally makes things less convenient, not more. Now I have to wave my arms around regularly. No thanks. I'll take the network connections any day - the user experience is far superior before getting into that this was just one example.

>>mrguyo+oX1
There's an EU law that actually dictates that all coffee machines should turn off.

But I still don't trust it. I need to do the Japanese train conductor pointing and vocalising thing when turning stuff off when I leave the house for a longer time =)