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Philips Hue will soon force users to create an account

submitted by linker+(OP) on 2023-09-21 07:38:19 | 316 points 321 comments
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3. helsin+l8[view] [source] 2023-09-21 08:45:01
>>linker+(OP)
I'm slowly moving control to a Hubitat (https://hubitat.com/). But still use the Hue hub for the noisy (frequent messages) Hue bulbs. Anyone have any alternatives?
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32. lotsof+Ib[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-09-21 09:09:29
>>jorvi+na
This one is French, but I thought it might be what you are referring to.

https://www.netatmo.com/

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46. cassia+Fc[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-09-21 09:16:17
>>zeisch+U8
Shelly [0] seems trustworthy enough. In any case, if they ever go full-on enshittified, as long as you don't update the firmware you should be able to keep using your stuff.

Anything you can flash Tasmota [1] on should be good to go as well. I believe that includes all or most Shelly devices as well.

IKEA so far seems like a decent bet as well.

[0] https://shellystore.co.uk/ [1] https://tasmota.github.io/docs/

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49. dao-+kd[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-09-21 09:20:51
>>jorvi+na
https://smart-life24.de/ perhaps? They do sell light bulbs. They're not particularly expensive. I think you might need an account with the Smart Life app, and my girlfriend appears to have a proper account using her e-mail address, but my user ID appears to be a random string, so I guess that's somewhat private?!
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50. skunkw+Pd[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-09-21 09:26:15
>>kosmot+sc
Home Assistant https://www.home-assistant.io/

It's a quite powerful tool to integrate a variety of different smart home devices into one location and share them between ecosystems.

I have a wifi thermostat that requires a dedicated app and does not allow for Apple Home integration. With Home Assistant I installed an integration for that thermostat, then shared it with the Apple Home bridge (also an integration) and quickly was able to allow my iphone/automations etc, to modify the thermostat. And that's only scratching the surface and something that took a few minutes.

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71. e61133+vo[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-09-21 11:00:13
>>jorvi+na
Eve? -> https://www.evehome.com/en
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77. solark+Pp[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-09-21 11:13:22
>>leonon+Na
Homematic has a pretty good reputation. Their stuff is reliable and they're quite open to DIYers. In turn the products are a bit on the expensive side, but not wildly so.

Fun fact: eQ-3 is a subsidiary of the DIY electronics store ELV: https://www.eq-3.com/about-eq-3.html

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81. petre+6C[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-09-21 12:39:47
>>mrweas+Bo
Even the mini modules? Maybe put them in the wall dose above the switch? Shellys are even larger. Sonoff seems to put out more miniaturized models every year.

https://sonoff.tech/product/diy-smart-switches/zbmini-l2/

Yes, I saw Danish appliances, they look nice.

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87. dan_ha+ZK[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-09-21 13:26:30
>>anders+e8
https://twitter.com/internetofshit
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102. splitr+TM1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-09-21 17:46:26
>>peterb+DI1
As of right now, you can connect to hue devices directly with Zigbee.

The SkyConnect from HomeAssitant/Nabu Casa works quite well: https://www.home-assistant.io/skyconnect/

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110. rtoman+XQ1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-09-21 18:04:45
>>peterb+DI1
Hardware: https://phoscon.de/en/conbee2/

Software (you may or may not need it for HA): https://github.com/dresden-elektronik/deconz-rest-plugin

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121. classi+TW1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-09-21 18:29:05
>>poison+Gj
My Hue lights have never been connected to the Internet, so they'll never have to worry about this. I use my own Perl client: https://www.floodgap.com/software/huepl/

I might not buy another base station again, though, if this gets enforced at that level.

157. beefma+d92[view] [source] 2023-09-21 19:15:05
>>linker+(OP)
The door refused to open. It said, "Five cents, please."

He searched his pockets. No more coins; nothing. "I'll pay you tomorrow," he told the door. Again he tried the knob. Again it remained locked tight. "What I pay you," he informed it, "is in the nature of a gratuity; I don't have to pay you."

"I think otherwise," the door said. "Look in the purchase contract you signed when you bought this conapt." In his desk drawer he found the contract; since signing it he had found it necessary to refer to the document many times. Sure enough; payment to his door for opening and shutting constituted a mandatory fee. Not a tip.

"You discover I'm right," the door said. It sounded smug. From the drawer beside the sink Joe Chip got a stainless steel knife; with it he began systematically to unscrew the bolt assembly of his apt's money-gulping door.

"I'll sue you," the door said as the first screw fell out.

Joe Chip said, "I've never been sued by a door. But I guess I can live through it.

– Philip K. Dick, Ubik (1969)

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/7444685-the-door-refused-to...

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160. hrpnk+o92[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-09-21 19:15:49
>>falsen+P72
https://developers.meethue.com/develop/get-started-2/ explains how to get the key to use the API. You just need to press the button on the bridge. Sth. broke for me so I wrote a loop and pressed the button frantically until one of the API calls worked:

  for i in `seq 1 10`; do http -v 192.168.xxx.xxx/api devicetype="my_hue_app#script"; sleep 1; done
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175. BrianH+8e2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-09-21 19:33:32
>>pier25+rc2
Use Zigbee, which the Philips Hue blubs are anyway – I haven't used the Philips app in years.

https://www.home-assistant.io/

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182. spdust+pf2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-09-21 19:38:34
>>psyclo+k32
Wiz bulbs use ESP-NOW (so that the Wiz remote can communicate with them). They also have an ESP-WROOM-02 inside (a package integrating an ESP-8266EX).

The fact that they use ESP-NOW means they can be controlled (theoretically) by any ESP* that has ESP-NOW support. So far, folks have only managed to go the other way—to intercept remote key presses [0]—but I imagine it won’t be long before they suss out control of the bulbs.

[0]: https://github.com/jesserockz/wizmote-esphome

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185. sp332+4g2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-09-21 19:40:45
>>rpadov+c72
Like this https://www.amazon.com/Philips-Hue-Installation-Free-Exclusi...
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189. arp242+lh2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-09-21 19:44:43
>>sp332+4g2
Yeah, but with the ability to change the colour as well, and stuff like that. i.e. basically do everything you can, except without an app.

Something like this: https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1bweoSVXXXXbHXFXXq6xXFXXXG/New...

Maybe I missed it, but from the material that was available to me without actually buying one of these things, this seemed impossible: the boxes and stores didn't have any remotes, and I couldn't find anything on the website. If it is possible, then it's hidden pretty well and people are steered towards that app pretty strongly.

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205. MaxBar+bl2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-09-21 19:59:10
>>beefma+d92
Reminds me of The Right to Read, a short story by Richard Stallman.

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.en.html

209. WaitWa+gm2[view] [source] 2023-09-21 20:02:56
>>linker+(OP)
Mitigation: If using Zigbee bulbs,

1. get rid of the Philips app (not the bulbs).

2. Replace the Philips Hue bridge (hub) with a RasPi or NUC computer.

3. Connect a Zigbee/Z-Wave combo USB radio dongle.

4. Load Home Assistant OS.

This solution not only replaces the Philips locked system, but it can replace (or take over) Amazon, Google, Apple, Ikea and more, simultaneously. About 2551 more.

Home Assistant is not perfect, but it provides just the privacy (and features) these vendors are taking away or never gave me.

I have Zigbee, Z-Wave, and Wifi devices on Home Assistant (RasPi 4 8GB peaks around 4% utilization). I rarely care about who makes the device nowadays. Is it Zigbee or Z-Wave and cheap? Great, I buy it, and it works.

As of this instance, it manages over 100 "devices", from a magnetic door sensor to the Synology NAS drive temperature.

( list of official integrations [because there are many more through community integrations]: https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/#all )

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237. mikewa+7u2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-09-21 20:35:30
>>FredPr+O42
>What can be turned into a subscription next! I can't wait to find out.

On a whim, I googled and found this "Smart" toilet[1]

[1] https://www.kohler.com/en/products/toilets/shop-toilets/numi...

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239. realha+yu2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-09-21 20:37:12
>>ewoodr+Lm2
If the switch is draining battery too fast, that could be a software bug.

I have a bunch of these switches https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/devices/TS0044.html#tuya-ts0044, and the solution of turning off the periodic battery reporting seems to have helped, I haven't had to change any of their batteries in many months. See https://github.com/Koenkk/zigbee2mqtt/issues/14157#issuecomm.... Not sure if something similar can be done with original Hue switches or bridge (or whether it would help there).

One different kind of switch I have, which doesn't have this problem, has had the same battery in it since I bought it 2 years ago.

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243. wlesie+kw2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-09-21 20:46:46
>>Syonyk+nu2
Home Assistant can facilitate local offline voice control if online 3rd party smart speakers are a problem

https://www.home-assistant.io/voice_control/voice_remote_loc...

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263. r2_pil+D33[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-09-22 00:03:01
>>pizzak+A52
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scunthorpe_problem
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264. nullwa+Y53[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-09-22 00:20:14
>>dheera+Xl2
There are some quirks fixes that add support for a lot of these in zha that just haven't been merged yet but that you can add

https://github.com/zigpy/zha-device-handlers/pull/2485

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266. KANaha+xn3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-09-22 03:05:22
>>psyclo+k32
Those WiZ bulbs have actually been pretty reliable for me in the few years I’ve had them. Pretty early on I set them up to be controlled by Home Assistant [1], and they are on par with my other Hue devices in terms of performance (maybe not a 100% match in brightness, but close enough). Definitely worth their much cheaper price to me.

[1] https://www.home-assistant.io/integrations/wiz/

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272. Fatnin+iH3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-09-22 06:29:04
>>Krssst+AX2
I rigged up the lights in my room to be controlled over Bluetooth and strictly no wifi. Stuffed a rpi pico into the wall to run it.

https://github.com/Yossi/Bluetooth_lightswitch

284. jqpabc+sy4[view] [source] 2023-09-22 13:36:27
>>linker+(OP)
And I thought licensing functionality in cars was a bad idea. BMW learned the hard way that their customers thought so too.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alistaircharlton/2023/09/07/bmw...

Hopefully Philips will learn the same. In the meantime, I'm making a mental note to avoid their brand all together.

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302. tomkar+h46[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-09-22 20:59:10
>>standa+j16
I am using this one currently and it even works faster than the official app: https://github.com/Domi04151309/HomeApp
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319. acidbu+JVo[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-09-28 14:39:07
>>guitar+Uf
I can recommend this: https://www.zigbee2mqtt.io/

You can keep your Hue bulbs and devices but threw away the app, hub, and need to work with hue as an institution at all.

I got a $30 USB zigbee stick to replace the hub. works great!

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