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>>linker+(OP)
When I bought my no-brand coloured smartlight a few years ago I explicitly passed up on Philips Hue because it now seemed to require some smartphone app, and I just wanted to use a remote control. It's simpler to use, faster to use, has a lot less moving parts, and generally "always works". While there are some use cases where an app might be a bit more convenient, I'm willing to bet that if you asked people on the street that the majority would prefer to use just a remote (I admit I have no data to back this up).

Security and privacy concerns don't even come in to play (although these do make the apps even worse)

This is a shame, because I had good experiences with my old Hue, when they still did remotes.

>>arp242+a62
They still do switches, what remotes are you referring to?

>>rpadov+c72
Like this https://www.amazon.com/Philips-Hue-Installation-Free-Exclusi...

>>sp332+4g2
Yeah, but with the ability to change the colour as well, and stuff like that. i.e. basically do everything you can, except without an app.

Something like this: https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1bweoSVXXXXbHXFXXq6xXFXXXG/New...

Maybe I missed it, but from the material that was available to me without actually buying one of these things, this seemed impossible: the boxes and stores didn't have any remotes, and I couldn't find anything on the website. If it is possible, then it's hidden pretty well and people are steered towards that app pretty strongly.