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1. phpist+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-09-07 15:29:48
Jokes on them, if the critics think a movie is bad then i will watch it, movie that has a 100% fresh score from critics goes on my never watch list...

the User Reviews seem to be more accurate but RT does manipulate them as well citing "view botting" for any trends that do not match their desired outcome from a film

replies(2): >>london+D5 >>mitchd+Yz
2. london+D5[view] [source] 2023-09-07 15:48:47
>>phpist+(OP)
One way to void this is for RT to give you a custom score for each movie of how much you will like it.

They would generate that score by looking at other things you have rated, finding ~100 other users who have voted similarly to you, and then showing the scores that those other users thought of each movie you are thinking of watching.

This is much harder to bot, since you will only see the botted scores if you yourself vote like a bot.

replies(1): >>ghostp+S8
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3. ghostp+S8[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-09-07 16:00:05
>>london+D5
I hope they don’t use the same algorithm that Netflix uses because apparently there are tons of awful movies on Netflix that I am 87% likely to enjoy.
replies(2): >>london+ar >>mcpack+S82
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4. london+ar[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-09-07 17:06:35
>>ghostp+S8
Just watch a few of them and give them bad ratings and the algorithm will adjust to know you better.
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5. mitchd+Yz[view] [source] 2023-09-07 17:38:30
>>phpist+(OP)
Deliberately ignoring experience and expertise because corruption is merely possible, is not the right way to go about making decisions.
replies(4): >>jbm+cF >>nickth+NI >>DrThun+g61 >>dahwol+Lk1
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6. jbm+cF[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-09-07 17:58:55
>>mitchd+Yz
Putting experience and expertise about a matter of taste on a pedestal is nonsense.

I don't share many values with movie critics. Here's an spicy example that will mark me as a philistine forever.

I think Princess Mononoke was an awful film with a navel gazing director who gets treated far too kindly because of a childish desire for "whimsy". Everytime I see a Ghibli pusher here, I laugh.

No movie critic will engage with such a perspective (because it is "wrong", the movie is "powerful", the art is "beautiful" and the characters are "strong" — every one of which is literally a matter of interpretation). Depending on critics is depending on people who have to satisfy their local equivalent of the Reddit front page. Why would you trust them except to know the current rightthink?

It's not the same as a scientist describing climate change or an engineer explaining the loads on a bridge.

replies(3): >>mrob+J21 >>Loocid+UR1 >>Valmar+Vp2
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7. phpist+QG[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-09-07 18:04:04
>>london+ar
Or they can just bring back the Rating system, and let users provide feedback to other users.... Instead of trying to hide that because they do not like the feedback some users give their "original content"
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8. nickth+NI[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-09-07 18:11:47
>>mitchd+Yz
When the stakes are this low, I think OP is fine.
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9. mrob+J21[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-09-07 19:34:24
>>jbm+cF
Critics underrate movies too.

Freddy Got Fingered, the movie I personally found funniest, is currently at 11% on Rotten Tomatoes. It's full of creative and quotable scenes, and never resorts to tired cliches (despite its genre there is no toilet humor). Penalizing a gross-out comedy for being "gross" is a clear failure of criticism. Even Roger Ebert, who usually judged movies by the standards of the genre, made this mistake.

Batman v Superman, the superhero movie I personally found most engaging, is at 29%. It's one of the few movies in the genre that feels like it has any ambition to be serious art. It takes the characters seriously, without the constant jokes the Marvel movies use to reassure the audience that they're not really comic book nerds. Critics considered this a reason to rate it poorly.

replies(1): >>jbm+qW1
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10. DrThun+g61[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-09-07 19:49:37
>>mitchd+Yz
"Expertise" in subjectively critiquing an art (movies) isn't a thing. You don't progress at it or have a better ability to critic as you do it. You might get better at portraying your feelings to people in the review, but they're still subjective feelings based on your personal tastes.
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11. dahwol+Lk1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-09-07 21:01:44
>>mitchd+Yz
It actually is when it comes to the decision of watching a movie.
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12. Loocid+UR1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-09-08 00:19:57
>>jbm+cF
What were your issues with Princess Mononoke?
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13. jbm+qW1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-09-08 00:55:07
>>mrob+J21
I saw a recent reappraisal of Freddy Got Fingered by Red Letter Media* that was very interesting; apparently it was also meant as a cash grab by studio execs, and Tom Green decided to make the weirdest movie he could possibly make.

While I don't personally like the "gross-out" style of movie, the the discussion of the movie exposed a lot of nuance behind the movie that I didn't know. The difference between the conversation and the original "professional reviews" really was telling; I much prefer the former to the later.

*: I am aware of the contradiction; in my defense, I mostly care about their comments about movie structure.

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14. mcpack+S82[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-09-08 02:51:12
>>ghostp+S8
Netflix streaming only has a few thousand movies in the first place, the odds of them being able to give more than a few dozen good recommendations to anybody is pretty bad. And for people with particular tastes, the odds will be even worse. Their catalogue is simply too small.
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15. Valmar+Vp2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-09-08 05:25:12
>>jbm+cF
Princess Mononoke just has a slow gradual buildup. It builds the world and plays with plot tension and progression in interesting ways. Then saves the climax for the end of the film, with an after scene that gives a sense of finality.

It's easily one of my favourite films for these reasons.

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