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> Also, I can't just get fired without cause. And if I do get laid off, I have 3 months of grace period, plus potentially years of unemployment money.

Which causes companies to be very slow in hiring people, because if business turns they have less flexibility. European countries have some of the highest (youth) unemployment rates in the OECD:

* https://data.oecd.org/unemp/youth-unemployment-rate.htm

* https://www.oecd.org/employment/unemployment-rates-oecd-upda...

>>throw0+(OP)
In Austria AFAIK one can get fired without cause, but if I'm reading this correctly, there doesn't seem to be a massive difference in unemployment against the EU baseline. (Am I reading this right?)

>>janosd+g3
That part is true, in Austria and afaik in Switzerland and Denmark too, you don't need a reason to fire someone.

You just give them their notice period whenever you feel like it and you're done with them, no need to PIP them or look for reasons to let them go.

>>throw0+(OP)
> Which causes companies to be very slow in hiring people, because if business turns they have less flexibility.

This is not entirely true. They are more considerate in hiring which means layoffs, including mass layoffs, happen more rarely as they have consequences.

But they can fire people (and they do) when things go bad. This is one of most common reasons for firing people. What they cannot do is to fire me today and tomorrow hire someone else to exactly the same things that I was doing unless I was doing something wrong and they justify it.

>>throw0+(OP)
In Ireland at least, there's a probationary period of up to six months where you can be fired at will.

https://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/employment-...

>>hdjjhh+zb

  Talent in Australia etc is just as awesome and doesn't burn itself out while being productive.  Having sane and "fair" working conditions goes a long way.

I was having a conversation with a senior director about 5 years ago about why not opening an office in Sydney. Plus points being high levels of professionalism and reasonable TC (stock comp being unheard off at the time). His retort was well if stock is not there people won't be incentivized. For folks talking about meaning and impact I was shocked how he couldn't fathom the idea that may be people just wanna do an honest day's work for an honest day's pay! Oh well

>>hdjjhh+zb
I don't think you showed any part of the statement being untrue.

Kinda seems like you're just arguing that being very slow to hire has big advantages.

>>ballen+161
Sorry for being unclear: my point was about the "if business turns they have less flexibility" part (apart from, as you noticed, being of the opinion that overhiring is not a good business practice).