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1. quonn+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-08-26 10:14:53
Here is a realistic estimate for Munich.

A room costs minimum 350 Euros or may easily cost 1000.

Food and going out costs at least 100 Euros or healthy food 200-300.

The subway ticket at that time cost 70 per month.

There are some additional costs such as health insurance etc.

Tuition at that time was 500 per semester for me.

Spending a semester abroad as is common is usually far more expensive.

And by law your parents have to pay. You are not required to even work.

On average parents are required to finance housing and food with 930 per month.

Source: https://www.verbraucherzentrale.de/wissen/geld-versicherunge...

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2. maccar+51[view] [source] 2023-08-26 10:25:15
>>quonn+(OP)
Your comparison is completely wrong. Not getting into specifics of rental prices, or student eating/socialising habits,

> Tuition at that time was 500 per semester for me

This is the number people talk about when they're talking about tuition costs for Americans. Everyone needs shelter and to eat, whether they're a student or an engineer at a FAANG.

It's $5-10k fo r community college depending on in or out of state. It's $10-$20k per year for a university for most, and if you look at a "top" university, it's significantly more.

University of Boulder which is a top-50-USA-university is just shy of $40k per year for tuition. Stanford is $55k, and UPenn (Which was the most expensive I could find) is $61k per year.

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3. lqet+s1[view] [source] 2023-08-26 10:28:49
>>quonn+(OP)
> And by law your parents have to pay. You are not required to even work.

That may be true in theory. In practice, many parents are in an income range which makes the child not eligible for educational support (Bafög), but which also does not allow supporting the child with 1000 EUR/month. The thought of telling my parents "you are required by law to send me more money, do it!" never occurred to me. They had a house to pay off. Both my mother and father worked more hours per week then I did for university (around 4-5 hours per day, at most, and only during the semester - I did nothing for university for around 4 months during the semester vacations). When my father was the same age as I when I started university, he had already worked for 7 years and paid rent and food money to his parents. So I think paying at least the rent, tuition, and food myself was the least I could do.

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4. quonn+E1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-26 10:30:57
>>maccar+51
The comment I replied to did not mention tuition costs. The claim was that incomes can be low because there is not cost for letting students study. And the costs are absolutely there.

The fact that some of the best US universities have outrageous tuition is neither new nor surprising nor does it invalidate my claim. I drew no comparison to the US, you are drawing that comparison.

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5. quonn+Y1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-26 10:34:33
>>lqet+s1
Well. I‘m just telling you what is required by law. In some sense the fact that you feel like they could not easily pay the costs just supports what I was saying. Namely that it is a cost not be neglected by saying „oh it‘s free here“.
6. flohof+b5[view] [source] 2023-08-26 11:07:32
>>quonn+(OP)
> Here is a realistic estimate for Munich

Munich is the most expensive Germany city, just saying...

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7. danari+oU[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-26 17:26:39
>>quonn+E1
> The comment I replied to did not mention tuition costs.

It absolutely did:

> Tuition was 500 EUR per semester, so around 80 EUR/month.

Possibly it was edited in after you wrote your comment, but it's there clear as day.

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