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1. nxm+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-08-26 10:01:45
Salaries are lower and taxes are significantly higher. Take your pick, but I’d rather take the American approach of a more dynamic job market. I wouldn’t want to deal with low GDP growth, public strikes (see France) and little ability to build wealth.
replies(7): >>ChatGT+C >>Mordis+A3 >>pydry+T3 >>ohgodp+c5 >>lordna+P5 >>flohof+26 >>bitcha+xv
2. ChatGT+C[view] [source] 2023-08-26 10:06:15
>>nxm+(OP)
Anything but low GDP growth, the horror.
3. Mordis+A3[view] [source] 2023-08-26 10:34:36
>>nxm+(OP)
What are your personal challenges in dealing with low GDP growth? I myself have found no need to deal with low GDP growth when it is happening.

Now what I wouldn't like to deal with is with lack of paid holidays, having to deal with masses of insurance paperwork and co-payments in case I need healthcare assistance, or deal with running out of sick days over the course of a year if I'm unlucky.

I suppose with enough wealth I wouldn't need to worry about the problems above, but I believe very few Americans have succeeded in that regard under their system. So, I prefer to stick to the generally European approach of protecting the basic rights and wellbeing of all our citizens, and will strike to defend it if necessary.

4. pydry+T3[view] [source] 2023-08-26 10:37:21
>>nxm+(OP)
I think this is what John Steinbeck meant by a working class that sees itself as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.
5. ohgodp+c5[view] [source] 2023-08-26 10:52:33
>>nxm+(OP)
> public strikes (see France)

You mean the ones that are getting ignored and violently repressed with police behavior that Iran considers overly violent ? Don't worry, we're getting to the American approach of a job market: work, or die.

> little ability to build wealth.

France is the third country in the world with the most millionaires.

6. lordna+P5[view] [source] 2023-08-26 10:58:13
>>nxm+(OP)
It seems like Europe is optimized lower-percentile outcomes, whereas the US is optimized for things going smoothly.

In the US if things go as planned, you have a house, two cars, health insurance, and you can pay for college for your kids. If they don't go well you can be in real trouble depending on what exactly went wrong.

In Europe if they don't go as planned, you still have access to housing and healthcare, and your kids can still get a degree. If things go as planned, you are paying for the people who weren't so lucky.

7. flohof+26[view] [source] 2023-08-26 11:00:02
>>nxm+(OP)
> I wouldn’t want to deal with low GDP growth, public strikes (see France) and little ability to build wealth.

Have you ever been personally affected by something as abstract as "low GDP growth"? Or public strikes except maybe a bit of inconvenience? And what do you need "wealth" for except to reduce financial risks that are much lower in a civilized country to begin with?

8. bitcha+xv[view] [source] 2023-08-26 14:26:16
>>nxm+(OP)
> Take your pick

I guess this is what it really boils down to. Here in Europe we don't have to establish college funds, go bankrupt because of a heart disease, become homeless due to being out of work or get our kids shot in a primary school. We prefer to take a less materialistic approach to life and priorities at the cost of not being so fixated on "wealth".

Americans are just built differently

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