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1. zzzeek+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-08-16 01:59:30
Haven't seen any of the "Musk is a free speech absolutist!" stans in awhile here, can't they come back ? We could all use the laugh
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2. blarno+y2[view] [source] 2023-08-16 02:16:34
>>zzzeek+(OP)
>>37142000
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3. abigai+J2[view] [source] 2023-08-16 02:17:17
>>zzzeek+(OP)
I'm not sure what meaning of freedom requires you to run a url redirector that has a similar response time for every single possible domain.

If there was a rule that made it illegal to differ in response times, would that world be more, or less free?

replies(1): >>happyt+P4
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4. thomas+T2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-16 02:17:54
>>blarno+y2
I said nothing about whether I like Elon as a person or not.
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5. happyt+P4[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-16 02:32:30
>>abigai+J2
I don't necessarily agree with the parent's implication, but the point they are making is that a lot of people defend some speech-controlling-but-not-illegal practices of social media sites using the exact same reasoning you are using in your post, and there was a lot of hype around Elon potentially being an opponent of that.
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6. javajo+56[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-16 02:42:46
>>thomas+T2
I think once a pattern of behavior is established, this should reasonably inform your interpretation of their behavior. This is the "Boy who cried wolf" lesson. So, if someone lies a bunch, and they say something, it makes sense to ignore it. If you don't keep score, you'll be pilloried.

If someone makes unethical moves (like taking peoples twitter handles or boosting alt-right memes), it makes sense to assume that unethical behavior is more likely in the future. The reason people get angry with you is that you don't maintain the same "reputation score" in your head within the brackets they find acceptable. That is, I allow for variation in perception to some degree, but if at a certain point someone says something really admiring of someone who's proven to be wholly untrustworthy or destructive over and over again, as a matter of public record, I start to judge that person as unreliable and lacking in judgement. This often comes out as anger, I think because it's a simple way to use our social emotional brain to "keep score".

(This is particularly applicable for individuals and individual actions; it's more difficult to apply this rule for groups. For example, do you have great faith in "academia"? This may or may not be acceptable to me, depending on your definition and your knowledge.)

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7. LexiMa+b6[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-16 02:43:36
>>happyt+P4
Even discounting this incident, finding people and organizations that Elon has banned from Twitter isn't even that hard. I find it very difficult to believe that people who claim that Elon is some sort of free speech absolutist actually believe what they say.
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8. thomas+Y6[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-16 02:52:50
>>javajo+56
That is a beautiful standalone comment about human nature.
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9. brando+wd[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-16 04:03:21
>>javajo+56
A post with no evidence, of some alleged action of the twitter url shortener, somehow becomes an Elon bad rant? "wholly untrustworthy or destructive" is only the case if you actually believe all the Verge headlines. What has been destroyed? Certainly not X which is growing in usage.

Your simplistic view of wanting to have a villian to hate who is always wrong and bad in everything they do is a very childish perspective, one that is sadly all too common online these days.

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10. mmastr+Gg[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-08-16 04:39:21
>>brando+wd
Your comment history appears to be solely pro-Tesla and pro-Musk, which suggests that you may need to reach a higher bar of support for your argument here. Calling someone's perspective childish is not especially constructive.
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