>>ChrisA+sb
More discussion over here: >>36965836

>>acomje+yh
Among the most played games, many of them run natively on Linux.

https://www.protondb.com/explore

Some games on the list are kind of old, sure. But they're the most played nevertheless.

And from the ones that are not native, many of them run well on Proton.

>>015a+qs
> deep seeded

Deep seated.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/deep-seated-deep-see...

>>lawn+8q
+small molecure that treats cancer >>36982813

>>omnico+Ot
It’s called an Eggcorn, apparently. https://youtu.be/F12LSAbos7A

>>zirgs+pA
~6% of users, 38% of bug reports, and:

> says that very few of those bugs were specific to Linux, being clear that "This 5.8% of players found 38% of all the bugs that affected everyone."

You're welcome.

[0] https://old.reddit.com/r/gamedev/comments/qeqn3b/despite_hav...

>>johnny+AC
> But if devs just keep focusing on Windows, I have that set already.

It is what it is. I would say they will never focus on Linux but it's not so clear anymore. A lot of things are changing fast.

> And To be honest I'm not a huge fan of the form factor nor screen to begin with, so it'd be a bigger compromise choosing to play on a Steam Deck than if I could choose other machines.

Luckily even better handhelds seem to be coming out. Asus ROG Ally (windows) is worth a look, as is Ayn Odin 2 (android..Now we have this too as a potential gaming platform to consider. Maybe not today, but who knows.). I recommend ETA PRIME's youtube channel to keep an eye on these things.

https://www.youtube.com/@ETAPRIME

>>yetihe+WA
> While I like GOG, I must say that they don't support linux, they merely sometimes make it possible to download binaries which may work on linux if you do everything yourself.

They have an actual "Games for Linux" section (https://www.gog.com/en/games/linux). I guess that should mean anything more than just "this may work on Linux if you compile this kernel and use this version of wine with these patches".

>>numpad+1L
You don't just look at money, you also look at time spent. But even when it comes to money, https://sea.mashable.com/tech-1/20432/60-of-entire-gaming-ma...

Mobile gaming is nearly double the rest of gaming market combined.

However, it looks like Android gets more money there: https://www.businessofapps.com/data/mobile-games-revenue/

>>fvdess+zP
...never mind that the Steam Deck has an entirely capable desktop mode[1], and people are indeed using it[2].

[1] https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/671A-4453-E8D2-32...

[2] https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/12sgnw7/what_do_...

>>jhasse+HM
Yes. Some games have a Vulkan renderer (probably because they can afford to).

This is a good table for Vulkan support across platforms: https://www.ravbug.com/graphics/

And on Linux your best bet is to run DirectX through compatibility software like what SteamDeck does.

>>deafpo+Ey
I don't own any Apple product so I might be wrong, but wouldn't it be highly impractical to run touch-screen oriented app/game on a device with keyboard/mouse input?

Also while we at it, imma include Android into the fold and curb stomp every other OS.

>Android doesn't count as deskt-

Pair it with keyboard and mouse, plug an external monitor, use [Smart Dock](https://github.com/axel358/smartdock) if you need to, Voilà!

>>Etherl+jZ
Apparently[1].

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2m-TpHtg2U

>>deely3+o51
As I said - it depends on the developer. Integrating Steam DRM is completely optional.

Here's a list of some of those games: https://steam.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games

For those games Steam acts as a download/update manager and nothing more. You can run them even without the Steam client.

>>andrew+Gb
I do tend to think 30% is rather excessive but it's still standard across multiple things.. and I remember this talk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stxVBJem3Rs years ago from an indie guy, just a minor remark around the 27 minute point on how when you factor in the cost of doing everything steam does for you on your own, it suddenly isn't such a terrible cost. I have quibbles with that suggesting an all-or-nothing environment when that isn't the case, but the deal only gets even sweeter if you can take advantage of more of steam's offerings besides just being a place to host and sell your game.

On the consumer side too, steam makes things pretty frictionless. I can't say literally all of my budget on games is through steam, but it's over 95%. I was also happy that their steam deck I got recently, in addition to helping the linux ecosystem in theory, is actually not a piece of junk like the librem phone I finally got delivered this year and so helps it in reality too. (Though in the librem case that was expected even at pre-order time.)

>>Gareth+E81
>>36997311

>>o1y32+Ua1
Does my Librem 5 smartphone running PureOS GNU/Linux [0] and desktop apps count as desktop Linux?

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PureOS

>>Aleksd+iy
>>36892464

>>maccar+a41
Microsoft even supplies the subsystem [0].

[0] https://learn.microsoft.com/windows/android/wsa/

>>Etherl+Ha1
> I imagine neither me or you are typing these comments on a server or a Steam Deck.

Stop imagining. I'm quite literally mooching around in bed posting this from Firefox on a Steam Deck in desktop mode docked to my bedroom TV. This[1] isn't your father's Oldsmobile.

[1] https://store.steampowered.com/steamdeck/#SaleSection_24468

>>deadbu+541
> WIN32 is Linux's most stable API. Joking aside

If we talk ABI's not API's, it's not a joke https://blog.hiler.eu/win32-the-only-stable-abi/

>>marcos+KB
The more-formal, older name for it is "mondegreen":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondegreen

>>arp242+Zm1
Yes, Steam Deck is Desktop Linux. It runs a Linux Desktop[1], which you can easily switch to.

[1] https://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/how-to-use-desktop-m...

>>Sporkt+(OP)
it would be cool if indie / open source game development would make linux more attractive to a wider population of gamers. with the cloudification of everything they are one of the few remaining demographics that values serious "local" hardware. but the nature of compute intensive modern game development seems so extremely large budget that such a grassroots efforts stand little chance. the linux desktop definitely feels like waiting for godot [1] :-)

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waiting_for_Godot

>>egyptu+jy1
> But what do people go buy when they want A Computer? When you answer that with "Linux", that's The Year Of Linux On The Desktop.

>>36892852

>>eldais+KA1
Does your fridge have a Desktop Mode with KDE already installed, complete with manufacturer-provided documentation on how to use it?

https://help.steampowered.com/en/faqs/view/671A-4453-E8D2-32...

>>ho_sch+zA1
To say nothing of your other points, MacOS is demonstrably UNIX. It's certified UNIX, in fact: https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/

>>Zambyt+FC1
There's now at least one Linux distribution that kicks out all the Gnu stuff. See https://www.theregister.com/2023/02/13/chimera_non_gnu_linux...

>>prmous+qP
> Yes you can on the android emulator. The biggest issue is compu arch in that case.

I can also download VirtualBox and run all Windows programs, that would mean that all Windows apps are Linux apps?

> Yes you can for the most part

You can't statically link glibc: https://github.com/cockroachdb/cockroach/issues/3392

glibc can break stuff: https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/08/valve-dev-understandab...

I had binaries break because the newer version if openssl was put under a slightly different name.

>>ghusto+hj2
> ...but nobody is saying "hey, I'll just use this as my daily driver now".

Seriously, the hubris[1][2][3][4][5] of it all.

[1] https://old.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/12sgnw7/what_do_...

[2] https://old.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/12sgnw7/what_do_...

[3] https://old.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/12sgnw7/what_do_...

[4] https://old.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/12sgnw7/what_do_...

[5] https://old.reddit.com/r/SteamDeck/comments/12sgnw7/what_do_...

>>ghusto+bk2
>>37003241

>>Brothe+hL3
Tim Sweeney.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Sweeney_(game_developer)

Founder and CEO of Epic games.

He has a history of whinging about Windows, and when suggestions of supporting Linux come up, since it's what Valve is doing to ensure they aren't trapped in a mono-system, Tim is argumentative in a bad faith way.

Previous discussions about Epics anti-Linux behaviour, but unfortunately the Tweets have since been deleted.

>>19844241

>>irrati+3D2
Really depends on the game. Aside from my multiplayer shooters, I played all my games on Linux. And these shooters would work too, if not for the pesky anti-cheats. If you'd like, you can check if the Steam game would work on Linux with this tool: https://www.protondb.com/app/1174180

I'm personally using Debian testing with KDE, but as long as Steam works, you should be fine. Zorin is also a nice out of the box experience.