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1. fsflov+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-07-27 12:30:19
How about getting such ID from your residence country?
replies(2): >>sempro+A2 >>dmanti+F2
2. sempro+A2[view] [source] 2023-07-27 12:45:38
>>fsflov+(OP)
I think the pushback against Voter ID laws is ridiculous, but not allowing the disenfranchised to use a computer is ridiculously dystopian.
replies(2): >>flir+Hj >>tzs+Fn
3. dmanti+F2[view] [source] 2023-07-27 12:46:10
>>fsflov+(OP)
It's theoretically possible, but for a year of my life, for example, I didn't have a residence and moved around. Lots of people do that to optimize their taxes. Why would you require to be a resident from a person to use an internet in the first place?

Being nobody's resident doesn't mean that you're not a human.

And anyway, there are a lot of people inside Russia, China, Iran, etc. And instead of helping them to use services with better privacy and consume uncensored views from outside id based system will give an impressive way to censor internet usage by government attesters. Have wrong views - say goodbye to the internet.

replies(1): >>dotanc+qe
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4. dotanc+qe[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-27 13:40:29
>>dmanti+F2

  > to optimize their taxes
I'd love to give you the benefit of the doubt and not interpret that as "dodge taxes". What's your side of the story?
replies(1): >>dmanti+Fy
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5. flir+Hj[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-27 14:01:35
>>sempro+A2
It disenfranchises more people than fraudulent votes it prevents. Like, orders of magnitude more. If your goal is to accurately assess the opinion of the electorate, voter ID laws get you further from that goal, not closer to it.
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6. tzs+Fn[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-27 14:15:19
>>sempro+A2
Pushback against voter ID laws would be ridiculous if those laws were accompanied with measures to make it cheap and easy for citizens to obtains the necessary ID. If those laws were accompanied by such measures most of the pushback would go away.

But in most of the states that have been pushing such laws that is very much not the case. The deliberately pick forms of ID that are less prevalent among poor and minority voters and that for many are expensive to obtain. In several they have also taken measures to make it even more difficult for those people to obtain ID.

For example if they require an ID that you get from the state's department of motor vehicles (DMV) they (in the name of budget cuts) close many DMV offices, and in the ones that remain open the cut back on the hours during which they will issue licenses to a few hours on weekdays. The closures mostly hit in poor and minority districts.

Yes, some of those laws do make some forms of acceptable ID free, but only in the sense that there is no fee to obtain that ID. Obtaining the documents necessary to obtain the ID will still have fees.

replies(1): >>notefa+Gu
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7. notefa+Gu[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-27 14:42:23
>>tzs+Fn
I’ve seen this argument repeated ad infinitum by opponents of voter ID. The idea that minorities and poor people are incapable of acquiring proper identification is so prejudice. Proper ID is essential for so many things. Almost everyone has one and can acquire one.
replies(2): >>Larrik+QC >>tzs+nE
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8. dmanti+Fy[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-27 14:57:55
>>dotanc+qe
Dodging is illegal, being nobody's (or some low/zero tax country) tax resident and not paying anyone is perfectly fine, nothing wrong with that. Apart from maybe US with their specific global tax residence regulation.

You can stay in UAE for half a year, start being their resident with 0% tax and then moving around stayng less than 183 days anywhere. It's of course better to be connected to UAE or other low tax jurisdiction in case of "personal connection" taxes requirements. Nothing unethical, illegal or bad in that. As far as it's perfectly legal in lots of countries, that's optimizing and not dodging or avoiding.

If you are staying UAE resident this way, you probably will have some troubles receiving gov services, because you don't live there in fact most of the time (and you are still just a tax resident and not always resident in terms of long-term living permit).

Anyway, placing a person to be "managed" by some government is a really dystopian concept.

replies(1): >>solati+UM
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9. Larrik+QC[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-27 15:15:12
>>notefa+Gu
OP offered a bunch of reasons why the law proposals are discriminatory and insidious things they do to make it hard to obtain an ID.

You claim to believe it's not and offer no counter point outside of you feel it in your gut and a desire to deflect and attack OP for making the point by calling the poster prejudice.

replies(1): >>notefa+aK
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10. tzs+nE[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-27 15:21:18
>>notefa+Gu
https://www.projectvote.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/AMERI...

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2012/jul/11/eric-holde...

https://www.aclu.org/documents/oppose-voter-id-legislation-f...

https://www.usccr.gov/files/pubs/2018/Minority_Voting_Access...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a...

https://www.vox.com/xpress/2014/11/4/7157037/us-voter-id-req...

https://www.npr.org/2018/09/07/644648955/for-older-voters-ge...

https://rewirenewsgroup.com/2014/10/16/well-actually-pretty-...

https://www.theregreview.org/2019/01/08/shapiro-moran-burden...

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/10/heres-h...

https://scholars.org/contribution/high-cost-free-photo-voter...

https://now.tufts.edu/2018/01/23/proving-voter-id-laws-discr...

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11. notefa+aK[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-27 15:44:37
>>Larrik+QC
I never called the OP prejudiced.
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12. notefa+8L[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-27 15:46:57
>>tzs+nE
I just read through each link and now fully understand the point you were making based on facts and evidence. You are right. I stand corrected. Thank you for taking the time to include so many sources. I really appreciate it.
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13. solati+UM[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-27 15:53:04
>>dmanti+Fy
Bear in mind as well, you need to be earning a ton for the tax savings to offset the price of flights + price differential of short-term housing compared to long-term housing. You may have moral reasons for not wanting to pay taxes to a particular government, and there are of course quality-of-life benefits to being able to travel to so many places that can make it worth the cost, but I'm wary of claims that such nomadship actually saves anyone money.
replies(1): >>dmanti+wR
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14. dmanti+wR[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-27 16:10:38
>>solati+UM
Yeah, it's more profitable to reside in a low tax jurisdiction as I do, for example, but he asked me to elaborate on the idea and I know that such way of life exist and works perfectly fine for lots of people.

Th main idea as that I strongly disagree that a person must have an ID outside of some questionable country and that's more of an example. I personally traveled just because I wanted to travel a lot, it was before the war and stuff, but as I know currently lots of Russians, Ukrainians, Belorussians are changing countries to find the best for them. When you don't have home anymore, there is no reason to settle to the first place you visited.

BTW, 3 flights per year with 2-3 bags will cost you around 3k USD, you will probably overpay around 300-400 USD per month staying in Airbnb in low-cost of living countries like Thailand, so in fact the whole cost of moving will be around 7-10k USD per year. If you earn IT remote salary, you will probably save a lot.

Though you'll need a tax consultant to avoid breaking any tax law accidentally, but that's not so expensive outside of the EU and the US.

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