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1. endisn+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-07-26 18:11:19
This is not true. Sites will not be obligated to implement WEI. At the end of the day bots are a real issue, with no real solution other than attestation. AI is accelerating this issue. This (WEI or something else) is inevitable.
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2. NoMore+o2[view] [source] 2023-07-26 18:20:23
>>endisn+(OP)
> This is not true. Sites will not be obligated to implement WEI.

There are a number of sites I frequent but don't log in to or register for an account.

Every single one of them has an absurd number of captchas, or I see the cloudflare protection thing come up for first for 3 seconds.

So while hypothetically it may be true that they don't have to do it, they will. It's not even clear to me that Firefox could implement it too... so do I have to switch back to Chrome (or [barf] Safari?)? Dunno. I can't predict the future, but you'd have to be in some sort of denial to not see where this is going.

> At the end of the day bots are a real issue

Bots are fucking awesome. We should all have bots, out there doing the boring stuff, bringing back the goodies to us. If someone tells you that bots are bad, they're lying to you because they're afraid that you might find out how much you'd want one.

3. lxgr+xc[view] [source] 2023-07-26 18:57:28
>>endisn+(OP)
Maybe so, but if so, let's please make it something else.

I'm fine with attestation when it comes to high-risk tasks such as confirming financial transactions or signing legal documents, or anonymous "proof-of-humanity" solutions such as Apple's Private Access Tokens (as long as there's a CAPTCHA-based or similar alternative!) for free trials or account creations (beats using SMS/phone number authentication, at least), but applying Trusted Computing to the entire browser just goes much too far.

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4. pwnna+4G[view] [source] 2023-07-26 20:53:55
>>endisn+(OP)
McDonalds app requires safetynet (effectively the same as this proposal) passing to access their app. Is that really required?

If you put a capability in, people will use (and abuse) it.

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5. nfw2+3V[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-26 22:04:43
>>lxgr+xc
With the rate AI is accelerating, it's possible that nothing akin to a CAPTCHA may be viable soon. That sort of verification is already approaching the threshold of what's reasonable to ask humans to solve.
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