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It's a bit sad that a "daytime hacker, night time musician" from Sweden sees "internet anarchists" as something of a slur. I guess punk really is dead.

Besides, it's not about being excited as much as trying to find silver linings in a rapidly deteriorating environment.

>>toyg+(OP)
Maybe your last sentence was more about some form of nostalgia for a long-lost decentralized Internet than excitedness?

I can certainly sympathize, but I think the best path forward for any anarchist would be to fight the attestation initiatives fiercely, rather than to resign and say “maybe we could have a good web again if we start over fresh”.

That aside, I’m not sure what you are saying with that comment about myself. I don’t think it serves the discussion.

>>Jolter+t4
I didn't define myself as an anarchist, you labelled me as such and drew some unflattering connotations to the term. Generally speaking, I don't deal in false dichotomies anyway. I was just saying that this could be the long-predicted inflection point.

>>toyg+Bd
Nostradamus has a lot of predictions we are still waiting on, that is to say, your perceived inflection point may never come.

More likely is a bifurcation of the internet between West and BRICS, which is already partially in place

>>verdve+mv
> More likely is a bifurcation of the internet between West and BRICS, which is already partially in place

wym?

>>verdve+mv
> your perceived inflection point may never come.

Absolutely. Smarter people than me have predicted it at various points over the last 30 years, and it has yet come to fully pass. We are seeing pieces coming slowly together, though.

> More likely is a bifurcation of the internet between West and BRICS

You are using BRICS very liberally here - I don't think Brazil is particularly internet-hostile, and South Africans have more important issues to think about.

Is there a movement towards a more balcanized network? Absolutely - most European countries now have individual DNS blacklists (the UK one is basically at full discretion of an opaque paralegal entity that answers to no-one); Turkey, Iran, and every other Middle-Eastern or South-Asian country (including Israel, India, Pakistan) can and do shut down their networks whenever they see fit; China have had their Great Firewall since Day 1; and Russia, well, they do what Putin likes to do on any given day.

None of that is particularly new though, it's just the usual autocratic crap. Corpweb will be much more cyberpunk.

>>gverri+BA
2 internets that don't really interact, due to different governance models (for countries)

>>verdve+NC1
how is it partially in place? you mean chinese internet? that's a bit of a stretch