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It's not about the absolute position on the scale, but the direction of change. Mozilla has been moving towards anti-user for years now.

>>hypert+(OP)
They went from A to B (exact magnitude of change is of course part of the criticism):

         |------------B---A---|
    anti-user              pro-user

Is Mozilla still, currently, a failure at their job?

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These kinds of discussions are frustrating to me since it feels like we've been dealt a very bad hand. But it's not just this hand, the dealer is firmly set on us only receiving bad hands in any game we play.

Like in a card game, this is the only hand that we'll get. What other corporation do we have to push these kinds of values? What other avenue do we have? It's sad that we've come to this situation, but if the choice is the currently perceived-to-be-failing Mozilla and no Mozilla, I pick the failing Mozilla.

>>zirak+P4
> What other corporation do we have to push these kinds of values?

The thing is, Mozilla shouldn't even be a for-profit corporation in the first place.

>>accoun+ut
Didn't they try being just a non-profit and it failed? IIRC they had to establish a corporation to sell defaults like search or they wouldn't have had enough funding to continue.