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This proposal only impacts "the web", which has already been going downhill for years now due to unsustainable ad-reliant business models. The internet is fine.

>>treyd+(OP)
That distinction made me feel better about the whole thing. Thank you.

>>treyd+(OP)
> The internet is fine.

I wish I could agree. The internet isn't in nearly as bad of shape as the web is, that's true. But it doesn't look nearly as healthy as it used to, as more and more services are moving to the web and abandoning the internet.

>>treyd+(OP)
For the vast majority of people, the internet is the web, as well as mobile apps. The latter are already out of the control of users. Today, we at least have browsers that we can mostly force to do what we want (like stop downloading and displaying ads), but WEI will end up restricting portions of the web to users running browsers that do what the web servers want, not what their users want.

And for most people in the world, that is "the internet".

>>kelnos+o8
The distinction is important in my opinion because it means that our technology stack isn't necessarily captured to the root by hostile interests. In these respects, a better world is possible without having to dig everything up and start over, for now.

>>kelnos+o8
The current browser stack is a lost cause. There's just no way for anyone who cares to compete with Google.

But we still have TCP and HTTP. We will rebuild this place.

>>treyd+(OP)
While I agree with the other people in this thread pointing out that the web practically is the internet for the average user, I think this is an opportune moment to mention that Gemini exists, free of any kind of mass surveillance or advertising. It's like the web prior to Eternal September. I even have my own Gemini capsule[0] which has a live web mirror[1] statically generated from the former's content. Granted, Gemini is vanishingly obscure and relatively inaccessible compared to the web, but it's still cool that it exists.

[0] gemini://hackersphere.space

[1] https://hackersphere.space

>>anon25+Of
> free of any kind of mass surveillance or advertising

And most of the functionality people want out of the web.

It's a neat project, but it's not responsive to the problem at hand. By design. And that's fine. But it remains nonresponsive.

>>anders+Pc
HTTP is terrible though. It's a big part of the problem with the web.

>>Touche+Fo
I'm curious. Could you please elaborate further