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1. jbk+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-07-21 19:28:43
> How can this view be with this spec, which he is the main author of? Surely Ben sees the parallels?

It can be reconciled with love for money and total lack of moral fiber.

Aka « I don’t give a shit about my actions destroying every one, as long as I go get paid »

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2. rpastu+x4[view] [source] 2023-07-21 19:46:33
>>jbk+(OP)
I think it's very easy to treat people in such a binary manner. I get it.

What this guy's doing is shameful, but I've seen dozens of otherwise lovely people, working for charities, spending much more time on socially-important and useful work than 90% of the crowd here... and the same people would push barely legal (if not illegal) targeting on masses of people, arguing to push cigarette ads in markets that still allow it. Advertising is cancer and the current model is not sustainable.

What I'm (poorly) trying to say is: be angry, let everyone know that you're angry, make more people angry, but remember that focusing on this guy is a distraction from a bigger systemic issue and it actually helps organisations like Alphabet.

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3. jbk+Kl[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-21 21:05:49
>>rpastu+x4
> I think it's very easy to treat people in such a binary manner. I get it.

It’s not generally easy, but I think I’m in the position to say that.

The guy has the choice of company to work with and has the choice in the company and what department to work in.

4. blibbl+4G[view] [source] 2023-07-21 22:46:33
>>jbk+(OP)
it's exactly the same as the AI bros

as long as they get their $1280 bonus they don't care

even if they're destroying their future employment prospects

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5. johnny+1N1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-22 11:15:53
>>rpastu+x4
> I've seen dozens of otherwise lovely people, working for charities, spending much more time on socially-important and useful work than 90% of the crowd here

As if you personally know 90% of the people here? And how many of those 10% would never ever push advertising on anyone, would you guess?

It's moot anyway, you cannot compensate for a lie by giving someone a lot of cake, even all the cake in the world. It's apples and oranges.

> Advertising is cancer and the current model is not sustainable.

"Advertising" is just a shorthand for the concrete actions concrete individuals engage in. There is no "model" outside of hundreds of decisions people make every day. It's like blaming "capitalism" and pretending people just play the "game" as if that existed outside of those actions. For any person you could name, I can find you someone in the same situation who refused to do the evil thing.

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