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> This is a categorically false premise. The kind of statement that only makes sense when you're in a deep bubble and entirely removed from the average person's use of the internet.

I mean no harm by this comment, but I think you're the one living in a bubble. Do you watch high school students using the internet? Where do they go for information? Reddit is the first place they look. Then they look for a Discord server. Google is a last resort, but since they know it's probably just going to return crappy SEO spam articles, they may give up entirely without even trying Google.

Your answer is technically accurate, but only in the sense that it disproves the "nobody" part of the statement because of the population of users age 45+. Google has lost their place as the site to use when you want to find information.

>>bachme+(OP)
If a highschooler is using reddit to find information, I guarantee they find the thread through google.

>>l33t23+11
I literally search "xyz reddit" on google if i want reddit refs lol

>>bachme+(OP)
Idk, google scholar still works for the most part.

Seems there is a gap. If you're looking for astroturfed opinions a search like "<thing of interest> reddit" works pretty well. If you are looking for scientific content, Scholar is at least a good starting point. In the middle there is a wasteland of listicles, SEO spam, etc.

It's like that IQ bell curve meme template.

>>bachme+(OP)
Your example basically says they are in the wrong bubble, as far as high schoolers are concerned.

If they want to look for something/someone, why would they go to the most unreliable places with totally random people to get gossip instead of reputable sources?

>>bachme+(OP)
Well, that is highly dependent on the type of information. For simple facts nobody goes past Google, for actual research you do more digging, and for some tutorial type stuff it's actually probably youtube. The only thing I think ppl'd look for a Reddit thread or Discord server for is a somewhat technical topic they need help with.

>>bachme+(OP)
The majority of the world is still using Google to search the web [0], including high school students (let's also think about high school students outside of North America).

[0] Sources:

- https://www.statista.com/statistics/216573/worldwide-market-... - https://gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share - https://kinsta.com/search-engine-market-share/

>>bachme+(OP)
> Then they look for a Discord server.

How? Are there ways to search for discord servers that might have content you want inside of them? Like, directories of discord servers? I'm genuinely curious because that would be very useful.

>>bachme+(OP)
discord ? reddit? High school students ? Are you living in the same universe I am ?

If you said Instagram or tictoc or snapchat maybe

>>pperi1+Z2
To be fair reddit internal search is terrible

>>dmoy+Sf
A truth since time immemorial: built-in search for forums sucks, terribly.

>>bachme+(OP)
As a high school student myself, you are just wrong.

>>oAlbe+Ya
Well, you Google them I guess.

>>bachme+(OP)
This is one of those times where anecdotes don’t really do the argument justice. I’d recommend talking to people who actually do research. They can’t rely on Reddit alone.

>>bachme+(OP)
School students can barely type or use a full blown computer anymore so I don't think this is a good anecdote. The type of people you're referring to are more worried about their next TikTok swipe and live on mobile apps. They don't even get to the point they search for meaningful content.

>>dmoy+Sf
to be fair, the argument that people don't use google while someone is saying they use google while limiting to a specific site is more the point. while reddit's internal search is terrible is not really the point even if a motivator. googs is still being used nullifying whatever the point of the start of this topic was

>>bachme+(OP)
Reddit is bad at indexing so they probably use google to find the proper reddit forum.

>>bachme+(OP)
This is so untrue. Most high schoolers run a Google search for their queries first. Most of the time just looking for a Wikipedia page. Occasionally smart ones will Google and append "reddit" to the end of their search when looking for opinions but a lot of highschoolers barely know what reddit is. YouTube would probably be next up and then maybe TikTok. But Google is still 100% the first place to go.

Source: I'm a highschool student and spend a lot of my time with other highschool students.

>>bachme+(OP)
> Reddit is the first place they look.

And how the hell do they "look" Reddit? Don't tell me the high-schoolers actually prefer Reddit's search than Google? If it's true I'm deeply worried about humanity's future.

>>evanch+0N
Your first-hand perspective is valuable here. Thanks for pitching in where you’re an actual “expert”.

>>evanch+0N
I don't disagree, but that's actually what I'm talking about. It apparently wasn't clear that I was making a distinction related to using Google to find information as opposed to using Google as a portal to sites that hold the information you're after. Your response shows that it's taken for granted that of course people wouldn't use Google to find a link to someone's website (which is the topic of the post).

Use Google to find a Wikipedia result.

Use Google to find a Reddit result.

Use Google to find YouTube videos.

Use Google to find TikTok videos.

20 years ago it was "Search Google and click on the links it provides".

>>bachme+hZ
You seem to be completely oblivious to the fact that the first four words of your examples are "use Google to find"

>>rezona+3l
I've never tried this. What query did you use? What kind of result you can expect to get? I'd like to try it myself.

>>38+Ld1
No they aren't, they are trying to make a distinction between how Google used to be good for scouring the wide web but now it's results are poor enough that you are better off narrowing your search to single known good avenues.

By poor I mean the results may be relevant but of low quality, thanks to commerce and SEO spam often dominating the results.

In some ways this is actually a decent reflection of the reality of the web. It is mostly spam and ecommerce, with human communities taking refuge in certain platforms.

>>oAlbe+Ya
On matrix I search for rooms all the time. I guess discord doesn't have this since they have the concept of an invite url to go to a server.

>>bachme+(OP)
high school students type whatever they're looking for into a web browser, which automatically searches Google for it.

They're not typing "google.com" into anything, but they're using it all the same.

>>evanch+0N
Out of curiosity: How did you find HN?

>>oAlbe+Ya
Well, there's this: >>32703995