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1. adrian+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-07-17 18:05:12
Much more people are familiar with the Greek letters (e.g. from mathematics or physics) than with the Greek language.

Knowing the letters is enough to allow the use of a dictionary to find most words, i.e. most nouns. Searching for verbs in a dictionary can be more difficult without knowing the grammar, as it may not be obvious which is the dictionary form that corresponds to a verbal form in the text.

I have read many Greek and Latin bilingual books and I have always found the original text to be of great value. The English text is very useful for reading quickly in order to have a general idea about the content of the original text and for searching quickly things in which you are interested.

Whenever you want to know anything certain about the content of the original text, the only way is to look at the original language. It does not matter if the original text looks like the original inscriptions. The original text may be shown in a one-to-one transliteration into Latin letters, without losing any information.

On the other hand, I have never seen any reliable English translation, i.e. any translation where after seeing twice the same English word in the translation you may conclude that the Greek author used the same word in both cases or that the author meant the same thing in both places.

Moreover, almost all translations that I have seen contain some anachronisms, i.e. modern words which do not really have any exact correspondent in the ancient languages, so when looking at the original you can see that the Greek or Latin words actually meant something else. Because of this, I have seen papers in which wrong conclusions were affirmed about what some ancient authors have said, due to the fact that some translations were accepted as being true literally, without checking the original words.

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2. dhosek+S7[view] [source] 2023-07-17 18:41:08
>>adrian+(OP)
Wiktionary is really good for this as it has entries linking back to the main text for conjugated verbs (and in the rare cases when it doesn’t, full text search finds the verb thanks to the conjugation tables).
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3. diggin+i8[view] [source] 2023-07-17 18:42:59
>>adrian+(OP)
> familiar with the Greek letters (e.g. from mathematics or physics)

I think, if you've studied classics, you should know that seeing a few greek letters in a mathematical formula and mispronounced is nowhere near being able to parse a word written in Greek letters.

> I have read many Greek and Latin bilingual books and I have always found the original text to be of great value.

You've misunderstood, though. The latter is true because of the former. The comment I replied to specifically referred to people who don't know the language.

> The original text may be shown in a one-to-one transliteration into Latin letters, without losing any information

Not exactly true because our alphabet doesn't have standardized stress marks, aspiration marks, or even standardized 1:1 transliterations of the characters. But in general I think you're correct that transliterating it could be helpful.

> On the other hand, I have never seen any reliable English translation, i.e. any translation where after seeing twice the same English word in the translation you may conclude that the Greek author used the same word in both cases or that the author meant the same thing in both places.

I am pretty sure I have, but I don't have any references on hand.

> Because of this, I have seen papers in which wrong conclusions were affirmed about what some ancient authors have said, due to the fact that some translations were accepted as being true literally, without checking the original words.

You've definitely hit an important point here. Even without having studied classics very intensely, I can almost immediately spot bullshit peddlers when they reference "the Greeks" and quote some passage completely out of context. But most of the time, it's less about the translator's word choice and more about ignorance of the society in which the original was written. That's not something you're going to get anyway from laying the original text next to the translation.

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4. panaga+WZ[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-17 23:34:00
>>dhosek+S7
I second this. The online Liddle Scott Lexicon is good, but wiktionary brings some very nice modern features like those you mention and many others.
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