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1. CalChr+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-07-17 14:34:35
The Homeric Question [1] generally centers on whether the Iliad and the Odyssey were written by primarily one person (Unitarian) or by different people (Analytic). Butler has another theory, that the Odyssey was written by one person, a woman in Sicily, which he published in the The Authoress of the Odyssey [2]. Basically, Butler was describing the Odyssey as fan fiction, as a Mary Sue [3].

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homeric_Question

[2] https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Authoress_of_the_Odyssey

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue

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2. adrian+r8[view] [source] 2023-07-17 15:15:16
>>CalChr+(OP)
I find the theory that the Odyssey has not been composed by Homer (by "Homer" meaning the author of the Iliad), but by some woman belonging to his family, perhaps a daughter, granddaughter or niece, much more plausible than the alternatives.

The Iliad and the Odyssey use very similar artificial poetic languages and vocabularies (though some words appear for the first time in the Odyssey and most of them are words that are expected to be more recent words).

Even so there is a very noticeable difference in style between the two works, and the easiest way to describe this difference is to say that the Iliad seems masculine, while the Odyssey seems feminine, i.e. the former is like an action movie, which spends a lot of time with the description of matters interesting for males, e.g. about efficient ways of killing or maiming your opponents or of gaining glory on the battlefield, while the latter is like a chick flick, where the main interests are about love and romance, stories about powerful independent women, descriptions of various female skills, clothes, food and gardens, and it includes even feminist complaints about the lack of equality between sexes.

It is very unlikely that we will ever know anything certain about the identity of the authors of the Homeric poems, but reading carefully the two texts, especially in original, gives the appearance of two closely related authors, but nevertheless of different sex.

3. mrangl+Ea[view] [source] 2023-07-17 15:26:00
>>CalChr+(OP)
I wouldn't be surprised.

Devil's advocacy:

Even if the Odyssey is arguably a relatively paler reflection of the Iliad in terms of mythological weight across the western corpus (ie: centrally important myths reflected within other myths), while still being a monster in its own right, it would be a monumental lifetime feat for one woman to acquire the deepest mythological and even religious (apocalyptic) knowledge it would have taken to write the Odyssey. It's still an incalculably skilled work.

In all, I'd lean against the one woman theory. But it wouldn't surprise me either. Authors and artists often had advisors on classical subject matter that would have been mostly mastered by those with expensive educations.

Homeric Question and historicity:

No one who is a serious student of mythology thinks that there is a real controversy over whether or not works such as the Iliad fall into dichotomous categories of true or false. What these myths are meant to describe are archetypal repeating events. That is, they are both true and myth. As is the case for most long persevering myths. No one should allow a little bit of allegory to fool them.

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4. rustym+kg[view] [source] 2023-07-17 15:54:09
>>CalChr+(OP)
Ancient tradition unanimously ascribed the authorship of the Iliad and Odyssey to Homer. We know nothing about Homer, except that he likely lived around the area of Smyrna and that he may have been blind.

Butler's theory is nice and all, but I would give significantly more weight to what ancient writers had to say about Homer.

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5. rustym+kh[view] [source] 2023-07-17 15:57:54
>>CalChr+(OP)
There's a famous quip that the person who wrote the Iliad and the Odyssey was not Homer, but a different man with the same name.
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6. soufro+OE[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-17 17:32:27
>>mrangl+Ea
I dont think the Odyssey is a pale reflection of the Iliad in terms of mythological weight.

On the contrary, most of its stories relate to extremely tales and folklores - ie Polyphemus.

Have fun : https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/scientists-trace-...

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7. scient+Z71[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-17 19:46:41
>>rustym+kg
There were all kinds of competing legends about Homer back in ancient times. Many cities claimed that he had once lived there. And there was even an ancient legend that both the Iliad and Odyssey were written by a woman named Phantasia, said to have been the daughter of Nicarchus who lived in Memphis. She supposedly left the texts of the two epic poems in the library of Memphis where Homer found them and then took credit for them as his own. This legend was brought to Samuel Butler's attention following the publication of his theory, but he insisted he hadn't been aware of it.
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