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There's definitely a strong element of people here rooting for Twitter to fail because they dislike Elon's politics.

>>beaned+(OP)
As a software developer, I hate the way he treats his employees. Politics are secondary.

>>beaned+(OP)
I hate Elon's politics but want Twitter succeed.

And if he didn't make his politics part of how he runs stuff, I probably wouldn't even care about his politics. But you know how celebrities get crap for inserting politics into things, when they know very little about that topic? Elon is going to get the same.

>>beaned+(OP)
It is -- and I cannot stress this enough -- entirely OK to root for the failure of a company that is owned, directed and dominated by an odious person with abhorrent politics.

Compare:

- hoping Ballmer-era Microsoft would fail in their attempts to snuff out Linux

- hoping that USSR would fail in their attempts to snuff out large numbers of their own citizens

- hoping that the Confederates would fail at snuffing out resistance to literal slavery

- (in fiction,) hoping that the Death Star would fail at snuffing out various planets, etc

and so forth.

There is not some weird list of permissible root-reasons. You have no gotcha; you are just gotten.

>>beaned+(OP)
That's... a perfectly reasonable position to hold?

>>beaned+(OP)
And now that he's opened his big fat mouth and revealed just what kind of a person he really is, I'm also rooting for unconed to fail because of his politics.

>>beaned+(OP)
Fascists don't have politics, they have hatred.

>>1attic+v4
I like Michael Hobbes's succinct gripe regarding the "debate RFK" nonsense about a week ago (alas, on Twitter, hence no link to the thread):

> The problem with this asinine debate over debating is that everyone is trying to come up with a content-neutral principle.

>>tadfis+F5
I think its like, totally reasonable? to want the Gates Foundation to like implode and everybody who works for it to be unemployed? and all those poor African kids to go unvaccinated?

Because I kinda think Bill Gates has bad politics?

>>1attic+v4
And speaking of having no gotcha but just being gotten, if you have showdead=true you can see one of Musk's biggest stans trevioustrouble rolling out their very best most deep and thoughtful arguments in support of Musk:

>>36556393

>trevioustrouble 1 hour ago [flagged] [dead] | parent | context | prev | next [–] | on: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

>It’s just a feed, and needs to be rate-limited for unregistered users. No need to pull out your philosophy-degree. The people that were fired from Twitter were fired for good reason and if you think you’d do a better job than Elon with Twitter, you wouldnt.

>* PS: Dislike my comment fags

And then they sum up their politics and best arguments and what the Twitter they're fighting so hard for and what Musk they worship so much is all about, in just one word:

>>36556423

>trevioustrouble 1 hour ago [flagged] [dead] | parent | context | flag | vouch | favorite | on: Twitter Is DDOSing Itself

>fag

And that's the best they've got.

It really makes Musk's apologists so angry and frustrated to see everyone laughing their asses off at Musk explosively and bloodily sharting himself in public like that, because now they have to follow behind the elephant and wipe up all the mess.

>>0xcde4+x6
I think the bigger problem there is that RFK could win the debate but that still wouldn't make vaccines cause autism.

>>JPws_P+A6
The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation is a charity. Twitter is a for-profit social network. These are not particularly comparable.

>>0xcde4+x6
Disclaimer: I'm not American and have only the foggiest notion of who RFK is, but the urge to identify boundary conditions for 'permissible wants' does feel especially America-y to me. I speculate that it has something to do with the veneration given to markets --- the underlying anxiety being that having feelings about an intensely cultural use of forty billion dollars is somehow antithetical to the conduct befitting an ideal rational agent.

>>bloope+i6
As you can see from Mussolini's own writing on the Doctrine of Fascism, they hate individualism, and love the State.

>7. Against individualism, the Fascist conception is for the State;

http://www.historyguide.org/europe/duce.html

Prior to Twitter's acquisition by Musk, they worked quite closely with the State and even hired the former top FBI lawyer as their chief legal counsel.

>>tadfis+F5
Is it..? All the replies to this thread just mention how he has abhorrent politics but there's no specifics. I'm not sure anyone really knows why they dislike him, and thought critically about it. A lot of it seems assumption-based, fed mostly by the media who is Twitter's biggest competitor. And on Hacker News, of all places. I'd think it the most likely place to find people who understand the rift between tech and trad media, and that character assassination is the biggest tool used by one particular side in this war. Instead the middling tech armchair specialists who partake in and promote the culture that birthed Elon and his multitude of companies have bought the other side's narrative to hate on their own.

>>inpdx+L
Do the people who actually work for his companies generally feel the same way?

>>beaned+(OP)
It’s not his politics, it’s him personally. Many find him an arrogant, loathesome baffoon and an asshole, even outside of the political realm. Obviously many people are rooting for him to fail.

>>1attic+v4
None of your examples actually align with the general sentiment here. In your examples, you cite specific goals that should fail, which may be part of a broader approach which includes more noble goals.

For example, you say that Microsoft should fail in attempting to snuff out Linux, not that Microsoft should fail generally.

You say that the USSR should fail to kill their own people, not that the USSR should fail to thrive as a people or a nation.

In this case the equivalent would be to call for Twitter to fail at... what exactly? Free speech?

I think you've been gotten. You don't perceive these examples as equivocations when they are, and it is blinded by dislike for a figure you disagree with rather than a specific bad goal.