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1. segmon+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-07-01 14:53:37
marriage makes it possible for some that couldn't afford houses to be able to do so, by pooling resources together.
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2. tremon+C1[view] [source] 2023-07-01 15:03:28
>>segmon+(OP)
So, what you're saying is that people marry for economic reasons rather than romantic? And when the romantic partnership fails, should people stay together in the economic partnership because they can't afford to split up?

That's effectively what we've been doing for the past few decades. And the result is as shown in TFA: a generation of adults who will avoid marriage like the plague, because they've seen how toxic the results can be.

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3. pengar+o2[view] [source] 2023-07-01 15:07:07
>>segmon+(OP)
> marriage makes it possible for some that couldn't afford houses to be able to do so, by pooling resources together.

Marriage is not a requirement for pooling resources.

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4. renewi+J2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-01 15:08:47
>>tremon+C1
Or alternatively, economic conditions are so much better than before that those who would marry for that no longer need to.
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5. _2z1p+Q5[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-01 15:27:06
>>renewi+J2
How are economic conditions better now than they were a decade or two ago?
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6. pengar+N8[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-01 15:45:16
>>tremon+C1
The proportion of dysfunctional miserable households I encountered as a kid during that phase where kids network a lot and visit homes/sleepovers was shocking.

In one extreme instance the parents had divvied up the house with dad ending up in a quasi-finished basement like an unwanted old dog. If they ever crossed paths it was an instant war.

Fortunately divorce has become much more acceptable since those days (this was in the 80s). Back then people would stay trapped in an unhealthy marriage 'til death do us part'.

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7. tekla+ke[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-01 16:13:11
>>_2z1p+Q5
Well 20 years ago was the dot com crash that wiped out an incredible amount of economic activity in the US.

2013 was still suffering from the after effects of the great recession that caused massive unemployment and a incredible increase in suffering.

How are current economic conditions worse than two of the greatest crashes in US history? YoY inflation is drastically slowing and unemployment is at record lows.

The economy is doing pretty goddamn amazingly right now

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8. dredmo+bf[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-01 16:17:07
>>renewi+J2
From TFA: "Black 40-year-olds were much more likely to have never married than Hispanic, White and Asian 40-year-olds."

My understanding is that economic conditions for Blacks are not significantly better than those of Whites and Asians, and are probably somewhat worse.

Which suggests your hypothesis is not backed by data.

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9. WarOnP+yj[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-01 16:43:11
>>tekla+ke
> How are current economic conditions worse than two of the greatest crashes in US history?

I'll present most of FL as an example. During those crashes, one could still subsist on 2 typical incomes. FF to today and basic expenses have skyrocketed; it takes 4 typical incomes to live tight. Worse is that expenses are still climbing fast.

The economy may be spectacular for some folks but it pales against the expenses faced by most folks.

10. WarOnP+6l[view] [source] 2023-07-01 16:52:52
>>segmon+(OP)
> marriage makes it possible for some that couldn't afford houses to be able to do so, by pooling resources together.

For many decades, a couple could pool typical wages and meet their basic bills. What I'm see now is it takes 4 typical wages to stay housed, up from 3 last year. Based on the last few months, that hasn't leveled out yet.

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11. WarOnP+ml[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-01 16:55:10
>>pengar+o2
> Marriage is not a requirement for pooling resources.

A relationship matters if 1 bedroom housing is a necessary part of the plan.

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12. pengar+Jl[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-01 16:57:44
>>WarOnP+ml
> A relationship matters if 1 bedroom housing is a necessary part of the plan.

We're talking about marriage, which is a very specific thing with a legal definition.

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13. WarOnP+Pr[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-01 17:25:40
>>pengar+Jl
> We're talking about marriage, which is a very specific thing with a legal definition.

The study is on marriage, true but the same trends are applying to couples in general - so the same conversation applies there as well. Given the likely causes, there doesn't seem to be a compelling reason to look at marriage in isolation.

As paths to affordable cohabitation decline, relationships are declining right along with them.

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14. renewi+4E[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-07-01 18:18:56
>>dredmo+bf
Yeah that's pretty good ngl
15. mock-p+wa2[view] [source] 2023-07-02 07:19:51
>>segmon+(OP)
Well - actually you don’t need marriage for that. Anybody can choose to do that without marriage being involved.
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