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1. clarke+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-06-29 18:14:03
Maybe putting all our open source in one place isn't a great idea >_>
replies(5): >>Waterl+33 >>skizm+O6 >>mirekr+la >>TillE+xb >>siva7+fD
2. Waterl+33[view] [source] 2023-06-29 18:28:35
>>clarke+(OP)
I'm not sure that really changes anything other than at any one time wishing you were on the other side.

If you can have 1% of stuff down 100% of the time, or 100% of the stuff down 1% of the time, I think there's a preference we _feel_ is better, but I'm not sure one is actually more practical than the other.

Of course, people can always mirror things, but that's not really what this comment is about, since people can do that today if they feel like.

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3. skizm+O6[view] [source] 2023-06-29 18:44:59
>>clarke+(OP)
Honestly I like it better. The entire industry pauses at the same time vs random people getting hit at random times. It is like when us-east-1 goes down. Everyone takes a break at the same time since we're all in the same boat, and we all have legitimate excuses to chill for a bit.
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4. mirekr+la[view] [source] 2023-06-29 18:57:30
>>clarke+(OP)
It's great idea to put all your company code though, free breaks.
5. TillE+xb[view] [source] 2023-06-29 19:01:56
>>clarke+(OP)
The whole point of DVCS is that everyone who's run `git clone` has a full copy of the entire repo, and can do most of their work without talking to a central server.

Brief downtime really only affects the infrastructure surrounding the actual code. Workflows, issues, etc.

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6. colins+Zn[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-29 20:05:40
>>Waterl+33
whenever somebody posts the oversimplified “1% of things are down 100% of the time” form of distributed downtime, i take pride in knowing that this is exactly what we have at the physical layer today and the fact the poster isn’t aware every time their packets get re-routed shows that it works.

at a higher layer in the stack though, consider the well-established but mostly historic mail list patch flow: even when the listserver goes down, i can still review and apply patches from my local inbox; i can still directly email my co-maintainers and collaborators. new patches are temporarily delayed, but retransmit logic is built in so that the user can still fire off the patch and go outside, rather than check back in every while to see if it’s up yet.

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7. jaxn+bp[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-29 20:11:34
>>skizm+O6
except for the people maintaining us-east-1
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8. 418tpo+Ot[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-29 20:35:03
>>TillE+xb
> Brief downtime really only affects the infrastructure surrounding the actual code. Workflows, issues, etc.

That's exactly the point. This infrastructure used to be supported by email which is also distributed and everyone has a complete copy of all of the data locally.

Github has been slowly trying to embrace, extend, and extinguish the distributed model.

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9. virapt+5C[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-29 21:17:32
>>418tpo+Ot
You can enable all email notifications and respond to them without visiting the site. If you like to work like that, you still can.
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10. siva7+fD[view] [source] 2023-06-29 21:22:43
>>clarke+(OP)
Distributed wasn‘t the main selling point of Github. When i joined it back in 2008 it was all about the social network, a place where devs meet
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11. sixstr+SH[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-29 21:47:10
>>virapt+5C
The site is the thing that sends those email notifications, and receives your responses to them. So if GitHub is down, that won't work.

GP is talking about directly emailing patches around or just having discussions over email. Not intermediated through GitHub.

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12. owl57+P91[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-30 00:38:14
>>colins+Zn
Now I'm thinking that default Github flow is almost there.

> i can still review and apply patches from my local inbox

`git fetch` gets me all the code from open PRs. And comments are already in email. Now I'm thinking if I should put `git fetch` in crontab.

> retransmit logic is built in so that the user can still fire off the patch and go outside

You can do that with a couple lines of bash, but I bet someone's already made a prettier script to retry an arbitrary non-interactive command like `git push`? This works best if your computer stays on while you go outside, but this is often the case even with a laptop, and even more so if you use a beefy remote server for development.

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13. hallma+1n1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-30 02:17:25
>>skizm+O6
I've always wished we could all agree on something like "timeout Tuesdays" where everyone everywhere paused on new features and focused on cleaning something up.
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14. virapt+mB1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-30 04:52:22
>>sixstr+SH
Yes, but this solves one part of the problem - accessible archive. Then you can revert to emailing people directly while the system is down.
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15. iso163+302[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-06-30 08:51:45
>>skizm+O6
Fortunately for you those of us in power, telecomunications, healthcare etc don't have that luxury.
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