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I can't really agree. The curation on reddit just far, far better outside of the super generic frontpage subreddits. Tik tok is 99% garbage content.

>>alfalf+(OP)
I think the problem is the garbage content is where the money is.

>>alfalf+(OP)
> Tik tok is 99% garbage content.

You're likely not using TikTok effectively. I personally use it, and all my engagements with it are 100% relevant to my interests.

>>alfalf+(OP)
But that's what I mean- for the few specific places to go, sure it's great. However I only need to go to something like an /r/nfl or /r/valheim for a few minutes each day to catch up on some specific news like that I want to see.

For checking out completely random things, or funny things, or just to brwose around... that's where tiktok destroys them now.

>Tiktok is 99% garbage content

That's... a statement.

>>alfalf+(OP)
>The curation on reddit just far, far better outside of the super generic frontpage subreddits.

Even smaller subreddits can be pretty terrible with bad mods.

A lot of smaller hobby subreddits are basically treated as facebook groups, with people treating it as a group for people with an interest and not a focused discussion about that interest,

>>alfalf+(OP)
My experience is the opposite. TikTok curation is incredibly efficient at honing in on the content niches that appeal to you. My TikTok feed feels very personal, I regularly interact in the comments and find some truly insightful discussions there. Reddit is a totally random mess of crap that I used to like. The manual curation of subreddits feels outdated and a pain compared to TikTok's ability to "organically" bring me to content that I am interested in at the moment.

>>julien+Nj
How do you initially train the tiktok algo? I don't have the willpower to wade through videos of children crying or dancing, acapella singers, people having small accidents, and so on.

And I swipe next as soon as I realize it's this kind of content.

>>alfalf+(OP)
The main problem with Reddit is the moderation. It all hit the wall when Trump was elected and the Reddit directors decided to run around like chickens and clamp down on half the community. The website has become a far-left US-centric mass market echochamber.

>>SSLy+rt
You already described how to train it. It can't magically know what you are into without any input.

>>dablue+cd
Sure, bad mods are a problem sometimes. But you also run into a lot of extremely knowledgeable users in your particular area of interest and can actually have great back and forth discussion.

Be it cars, bikes, coffee, firearms, you name it.

For hobbies I've found Tiktok is riddled with low quality content.

I suppose it really depends what you're looking for.

>>witche+Hz
For political subreddits, sure. But I'd argue there aren't really any great places on the internet to actually have nuanced political discussion anyways. It's dominated by folks with too much time on their hands... either radically far left or radically far right. And each group ostracizes members that don't subscribe to their brand or level of extremism.

Bottom line is it depends what kind of content you're looking for. For niche interests/hobbies, Reddit is very hard to beat.

>>alfalf+sB
I think you are looking for the old forum culture that used to exist before Reddit came along. Reddit is weak because it is either segregating people into subreddits and echo-chambers (making it just an over-moderated monopolistic forum killer), or it is a tool to force you to read political stuff that you don't want to get into, or it is an over-moderated amphitheater for far-left chauvinism. What exactly is the point of the "Reddit system" if you're basically trying to mimic what used to exist in the forum culture pre-reddit?

>>alfalf+4B
Oh, no arguments there. When it's good, it's great. It's just frustrating to be used to that level of quality and end up with a bunch of garbage content you have to wade through to get to the good stuff.

>>dablue+CC
The other side of the argument is that, when Reddit is actually doing a good job for these niche communities, is it different to the old forum culture or a discord server?

>>SSLy+rt
It's far more efficient to search and subscribe to accounts that produce content you're interested in. Consider disliking things to help the algorithm figure out your interests. Long hold on any video, tap "Not Interested".

>>witche+gE
Culturally, I'd argue no. In terms of UX and permanence, I'd argue yes. Reddit is a lot easier for someone to search after the fact and find good info, and it's a lot easier to follow individual comments on a big Reddit thread than it is to try to follow the chain-of-quotes on an old-style forum.

Discord is good but it's a chat app first and foremost and it's a pain to search for esoteric information, especially since you have to be in the server in question to even search.

>>dablue+GG
I wonder if the solution is to develop a forum with better UX? And also with a better way to find said communities through search engines (Quora for example does a good job of getting on Google)?

Though I would also argue that one of the biggest negatives about Reddit is that you can't come back to a thread later that day or another day, if you want to get your reply head then you need to respond immediately and attain a lot of upvotes. With a forum you could respond whenever you wanted and get a discussion going. And similarly forums would allow you to avoid the echochamber effect by avoiding upvotes/downvotes as everything was chronologically ordered, so it was a much more civil affair.

But I agree that the chain-of-quotes is a positive about Reddit, which I think might be possible to implement/merge into a new forum design.

>>julien+Nj
Tiktok and Reddit give completely different experiences. Tiktok has good video content but I love Reddit for its extensive comment sections where people can write paragraphs upon paragraphs on various topics with links and explanations. There are so many posts with long discussions and opinions on every topic imaginable.

My attempts at commenting on Tiktok with anything informative have failed as the super short comment limit makes explaining anything very frustrating. Tiktok just doesn't have a commenting culture and most people stick to emojis and a few word comments which aren't conductive to interesting discussions.

>>dehue+lM
The front page and discovery parts of Reddit are being replaced by TikTok.

The major subreddits of Reddit are being destroyed by the moderation and are basically echo chambers.

The remaining users are barricading themselves into a handful of subreddit which offers no real advantage over forums (except for how the branching layout of Reddit threads mimics pre-forum chat rooms).

>>witche+Hz
there are plenty of political groups on there, just don't expect to not get downvoted to oblivion in popular groups like r/politics if you are a conservative. That's just the way democracy works and I would guess 75-85% of reddit is far to moderate left on the political spectrum. I also think that like 60% of the users are from the US and Canada so it's definitely going to be US centric. Again there are groups for specific countries and topics there, just don't expect them to make it to the front page.

>>dehue+lM
>My attempts at commenting on Tiktok with anything informative have failed as the super short comment limit

why are you trying to communicate something informative in a comment? just make a reply video.

>>SSLy+rt
first i followed content creators i knew i'd like(legacy from other platforms), then the algo catches up really quickly.

also you have to be REALLY strict about the stuff you watch - if something comes up that you don't like the look of you can instantly swipe away. that trains the algo more accurately than saying you don't like something using built in tools but you can do that too if you really object to something.

for me it usually takes less than a week to train a new account to specific content, less than a day if it isn't niche("gaming" is easier to train than "gym exercises focused on strength over hypertrophy")