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1. Animat+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-05-26 17:36:48
> The people who greenlighted this were the people who ousted those who built Firefox.

Mozilla got rid of their founder, Brendan Eich, for donating to a California initiative against gay marriage. Now we see what that costs us.

replies(2): >>Sunspa+t1 >>kirbyf+8m
2. Sunspa+t1[view] [source] 2023-05-26 17:44:09
>>Animat+(OP)
There would have been a cost to keeping him as well. There is a significant percentage of tech workers who are gay or trans, which would have reduced the hiring pool available to Mozilla.
replies(2): >>93po+s7 >>lelant+4b
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3. 93po+s7[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-26 18:13:29
>>Sunspa+t1
Jeff Bezos donated more than Eich in 2018 to Cory Gardner, who is anti-equal marriage, anti-LGBT+ discrimination laws, and against same-sex adoption. It's interesting we don't hold the same standard to Bezos, or speculate that Bezos' donation affected his hiring pool.
replies(1): >>pessim+go
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4. lelant+4b[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-26 18:34:30
>>Sunspa+t1
> There would have been a cost to keeping him as well. There is a significant percentage of tech workers who are gay or trans, which would have reduced the hiring pool available to Mozilla.

Having the best pool of workers in the world aren't going to make a difference[1] if they are working for power-mongers who use outrage to achieve a coup.

The reverse is not true - having fewer skilled workers to choose from can be irrelevant when they are working for someone who is focused on goals that are aligned to the user.

IOW, there's no point in having the absolute best and the brightest people employed by self-serving schemers who wanted to use firefox as a vehicle for their political/virtuous ambitions.

There might be, however, a point in having "only" the 90% best people employed towards making firefox better.

[1] And, it looks like it didn't make a difference.

5. kirbyf+8m[view] [source] 2023-05-26 19:42:00
>>Animat+(OP)
Yes, because Brave is the model of ethics! Oh, wait a sec...
replies(1): >>lelant+Rn
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6. lelant+Rn[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-26 19:52:29
>>kirbyf+8m
> Yes, because Brave is the model of ethics! Oh, wait a sec...

Short answer: Well, compared to FF and the fine article that we are commenting on ... yes, it's certainly a model that FF could adopt!

Long answer: I don't see ads in Brave. I don't recall even installing any third parties to block ads. As far as the adtech space goes, Brave is indeed more ethical than FF (or Chrome, or Edge).

Now if you are of the view that, ethically, blocking ads is a bad thing, then I'm afraid we cannot actually discuss this any further, because there are very few arguments that will get me to change my mind about blocking advertisements, not least of which is the ad under discussion, i.e. "FULL-SCREEN-IN-YOUR-FACE-COVER-EVERYTHING-AND-STOP-THE-USER-FROM-DOING-ANYTHING-UNTIL-THE-AD-IS-DISMISSED" type of ad.

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7. pessim+go[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-26 19:54:47
>>93po+s7
It's not interesting at all. Exactly who was going to fire Bezos from Amazon?

Also, I know this is the internet, but disapproving of one person doesn't mean that you're promoting another random person that wasn't even part of the conversation. If you want to bring Bezos in, at a minimum you're required to find a single person, living or dead, who thinks that Bezos's donations were fine but Eich's were terrible.

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8. 93po+1z[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-26 21:02:49
>>pessim+go
Boards pressure people like Bezos to step down all the time, often due to public scrutiny.

I know no one is promoting Bezos. I'm just saying it's ridiculous how Bezos gets to white-wash incidents like this while causing untold harm to society, while Eich legitimately was furthering good causes in good ways and a single personal superficial detail prevented him from continuing to do that.

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9. smw+yu1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-27 08:34:42
>>lelant+Rn
What are you talking about? There are ads on new tabs even if you configure it to just be a blank page!
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