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It's not just Mozilla. Western society as a whole is transitioning from one where discourse and consensus is based on reason, to one where it is based on feelings.

Listen to some prominent politicians today. Politicians have always had to speak in convoluted and stupid ways to conceal or deflect the truth, but generally they were coherent, the sequence of words had some meaning you could understand even if it was wrong or they were lying. Now it's just complete gibberish with feel-good words sprinkled in.

>>throwa+(OP)
It's primarily being driven by a transition to low engagement media, such as social media and cable news, being the primary thought drivers of society. The average person was always pretty unwise, but they typically had to engage with their community in a productive way and would know an elder who was vaunted for being kind, fair, and intelligent, and who could be consulted when difficult situations were encountered. Now our society has been horrifically fractured into small atoms, so when people encounter confusing situations, they have a talking head (who's primary motivation is high viewership) explain something in a way that emotionally makes sense but doesn't actually encompass the complexity of a topic.

>>throwa+(OP)
Western society has had discourse on feelings for hundreds of years (see nationalism/imperialism in the 19th century and authoritarian ideologies in the 20th)

>>marisn+8H
You misunderstand. I didn't say western society had no discourse on feelings. On the contrary, the fathers of reason in the west like Aristotle talked extensively about feelings, far longer than just hundreds of years ago.

I said based on reason. It's quite possible to reason about feelings.

Anyway, what's this "discourse on feelings" that was related nationalism/imperialism and authoritarianism you're talking about? I've never heard of it, it sounds interesting.

>>throwa+(OP)
and worse than that, it is loaded with all the latest "current things" that are deemed unattackable, or any mainstream powers will label you one or more "ists", and work to silence you at best, or get you blacklisted from any work using bully methods

>>throwa+eR
Anyway, what's this "discourse on feelings" that was related nationalism/imperialism and authoritarianism you're talking about? I've never heard of it, it sounds interesting.

The KdF movement might be considered an example (Kraft durch Freude, Strength through Joy). Rearming Germany after WWI required the Nazis to rally the population by means ranging from technical to emotional to spiritual. From Wikipedia:

>Hitler's architect and Minister for Armaments and War Production, Albert Speer, said in his final speech at the Nuremberg trials: "Hitler's dictatorship differed in one fundamental point from all its predecessors in history. His was the first dictatorship in the present period of modern technical development, a dictatorship which made the complete use of all technical means for domination of its own country. Through technical devices like the radio and loudspeaker, 80 million people were deprived of independent thought. It was thereby possible to subject them to the will of one man..." [11]

If you can read that without feeling a chill at the base of your spine, well, maybe it's just me.

And of course, any appeal to religion is ultimately an appeal to feelings, since there's nothing objective behind it. A Wehrmacht soldier who started to question his role in the war needed only to look down at his belt buckle to remind himself that God was on his side.

It's all very interesting to consider, but it doesn't have much to do with Mozilla (I hope).

>>Camper+yy2
Sounds like a stretch. You can link any subject or event to how people feel about it.

I don't think there was any notable "discourse on feelings" related to those things.