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I think the way the dialog is designed says enough. There's "Get Mozilla VPN" and "not now".

No "stop showing me ads", "disable recommendations", "show privacy settings", instead, just "not now". This illusion of choice is a very common dark pattern that helps people feel like postponing ads was their choice (and their idea) rather than making them feel upset that ads have snuck into their browser in the first place. Websites run by trash marketeers like Reddit and Twitter do the same thing.

I wonder how long it'll take before I will just switch to some Chrome fork. This whole "privacy first" shtick is nice but if I need to turn off as many settings in Firefox to make my browser pleasant to use as I do privacy settings in Chrome, I don't see the advantage.

Last time I checked brave they were still pushing their shady crypto stuff and the UI was kind of meh. I wonder if I should reevaluate it with the ongoing erosion of Firefox as a browser.

>>jeroen+(OP)
There’s this weird new browser for mac that I think is called Arc?

>>Aeolun+B
Are they private by default or do you need to make adjustments to the settings to it? So far Brave seems to be the most private popular browser out-of-box.

>>jeroen+(OP)
Is there a chrome based browser which has an equivalent to Firefox’s multi-account containers? That’s the main feature keeping me on FF.

>>jeroen+(OP)
> I think the way the dialog is designed says enough. There's "Get Mozilla VPN" and "not now".

Wasn't there a campaign that "no means no", and explicitly not "no means keep asking until you get the answer you were hoping for out of fatigue"?

Oh right. #metoo

>>skykoo+x2
Yep. Specifically, the temporary containers keep me there for web dev stuff. People will always recommend profiles in chrome, but that can't replace a single hotkey to spawn a temporary throwaway container.

>>Aeolun+B
Maybe it was Orion Browser?

>>pierat+24
Online ads are a scourge, but it seems really unfair to compare this to #metoo beyond the most superficial aspects.

>>Aeolun+B
I'm not sure about their user experience either. The website for it has zero concrete information and you can't even see that there is no windows support until you give it an email address.

>>pierat+24
Coincidentally, there was the recent TV show, Anatomy of a Scandal, about a fictional rape case where the defense tried to argue that “not now” wasn’t sufficient to withdraw consent for sex.

>>verand+Z6
It is not unfair, it’s the crux of “consent”. Consent does not mean “keep pestering until they give in”. When technology does not respect user consent by presenting them a false dichotomy of “yes or later”, that is bad. Not all ads do this, but many dark patterns do, it’s even built into the OS like in iOS and Windows.

>>jeroen+(OP)
I've been using Brave for awhile and I'm pretty happy with it. There is the shady crypto thing, and the shady VPN thing, and the dubious Tor thing, and I don't really trust them, but I can't really say any of that affects the browsing experience.

>>Nextgr+t5
Orion and Arc are both new-ish Mac browsers. Both proprietary though.

>>skykoo+x2
Not that I've been able to find. Brave would be the obvious candidate to implement this, but the impression I get is that they're not all that interested.

>>jeroen+(OP)
So because of an ad you'd switch to a browser which breaks ad-blocking add-ons?

>>lolind+e4
How is that different from private browsing?

>>adastr+Ny
I can have 3+ different temporary containers open at once, each with a distinct set of cookies, whereas private browsing gives me only one extra cookie jar.

It's massively helpful for testing interactions between users.

>>lolind+Oz
At least on my chromium variant each private window (not tab: window) gets its own isolated environment.

I frequently use this to log into websites with different user accounts for testing purposes.

>>adastr+AB
Good to know, I'll take a look!

>>lolind+cE
To be a little more explicit, I think you need to spawn a private window from a non-private window to get a new environment. If you do it from another private window it uses the same sandbox.

>>lolind+Oz
And unlike private browsing windows, they persist across browser restarts until all their tabs are closed.

>>jeroen+(OP)
AFAIR Chrome/Chromium add-ons are unable to block ads and trackers properly - there's a gap between the page load and add-on activation.