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1. mxkopy+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-05-23 14:42:38
You choose to believe a more convenient truth. I don't think I could say anything to convince you that things aren't always getting better and that every step we take isn't objectively forward facing. Case in point you just straight up don't read unless it suits you lmao
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2. ch4s3+Du[view] [source] 2023-05-23 16:45:18
>>mxkopy+(OP)
I clearly read you comments. I've pointed to a lot of data that effects most people and I acknowledged that things aren't uniformly better, but are on average.

However, this assertion is the dumbest shit I've ever read.

> Both you and the beggar could be staring at the same logos all day, seeing the same people, even be living on the same street, all while worrying that you might be next. Like I said - perhaps we can practice reading this time - it's not worse, it's just better by a much smaller amount than the typical SV techbro probably imagines.

I can't imagine thinking that homelessness in the US vs low income work also in the US aren't wolds apart in life quality. You can look at any metric of disease, rates of violent crime victimization, life expectancy, and on and on and see that just being homeless makes you life demonstrably far worse than any alternative. Your position is totally divorced from data and clearly from any person insight.

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3. mxkopy+wU[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-23 18:17:40
>>ch4s3+Du
> You can look at any metric of disease, rates of violent crime victimization, life expectancy, and on and on and see that just being homeless makes you life demonstrably far worse than any alternative. Your position is totally divorced from data and clearly from any person insight.

Lmao there you go again. You can look at at anywhere but outside. You can cite anything but experience. Yes, my position is divorced from data, because fuck the data, it's not telling the whole story. I find it interesting for example that you're on the hype train when it comes to median income and whatever, but mentions of obesity and suicide rates are doomerism. You literally choose which statistics to interpret.

Here's what's happening. You think that once you're not homeless, you're suddenly not dealing with the same issues that you once were. If you stop and think about what these issues are, it's pretty clear that low SES people and homeless people share a lot in common. Here they are:

Mental health

Physical health

Physical safety (lesser)

Food security (lesser)

General unpleasantness (potentially lesser)

Spiritual health (potentially greater)

It's not crazy to think - again, unless you've made it and the only contact you have with the trenches is through metrics - that people with shitty jobs can have shitty lives. And personally, I'm not interested in quantifying how much shittier because that's inhumane. If someone is living a shit life, you have no right to tell them they're living better than someone else and wave their problems away while you have none. It's basic empathy really.

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4. ch4s3+h71[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-05-23 19:14:16
>>mxkopy+wU
I am telling you I have literally known people who were in and out of homelessness and experimentally they were much better off when they had stable housing. I have worked dead end jobs and been on Medicaid, while also knowing people who were in precarious housing situations. Your position is ridiculous, discovered from data, and removed from any real world experience. Any social worker could tell you that you're totally full of shit, as could anyone who has ever been homeless.
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