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1. phtriv+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-03-01 11:37:33
The only way this kind of research could be done "in the open" is if it was funded by taxpayers' money.

Except we have global corporations with elite fiscal layer teams, but no global government (giant lizzards are always disappointing) - so some global corporation was going to own it in the end, it was a matter of "time" and "US or Chinese". The time is now, he winner is US.

Moving on.

The next move is for (some) governements to regulate, others to let it be a complete far west, bad actors to become imaginative, and it the end... taxpayers' money will clean up the unforeseen consequences, while investor's money is spent on booze and swimming pools, I suspect ?

Still, nice to watch the horse race for being the "Great Filter" between 'AI', 'nukes' and 'climate change' (with 'social media' as the outsider).

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2. permo-+s[view] [source] 2023-03-01 11:41:11
>>phtriv+(OP)
https://huggingface.co/bigscience/bloom

open-source and funded by the French government

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3. est31+k3[view] [source] 2023-03-01 12:06:57
>>phtriv+(OP)
> funded by taxpayers' money.

In this industry, a contract with MS is as close to directly having a DOD contract as you can get.

Remember when MS bought Skype, turned off end to end encryption and got rid of the P2P mechanisms, to eventually appear in the leaks about PRISM?

Likely Bing integration of ChatGPT is the more innocuous use of the technology. Once they have gotten input from the AI experts at OpenAI on how to use their generative text model inside search engines, they can also use it for building search masks for analysts to sift through the massive amounts of data they have on individuals, to name one of the many potential uses in the intelligence community.

On the bright side, at least OpenAI publishes some high level info on what they did. It's published research, not hidden in secrecy, like say how to build planes invisible under radar. I'm just a bit sad about the employees who likely had better paying alternative offers but were joining, what they thought, the mission oriented job at OpenAI.

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4. andrep+N4[view] [source] 2023-03-01 12:17:56
>>phtriv+(OP)
Things like "public goods" are an outdated concept, with a distinctly 19th and 20th century feel. In our postmodern world the very idea is almost taboo. The few things that remain, do because they have been grandfathered in.

The hyper-capitalist global market owns everything and that is good.

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5. insane+NF[view] [source] 2023-03-01 16:04:05
>>phtriv+(OP)
> The only way this kind of research could be done "in the open" is if it was funded by taxpayers' money.

Not really; the founders had plenty of money to fund it in a way that was truly open and did not generate any returns for themselves. They're choosing not to.

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6. ninjin+sU[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 16:59:17
>>permo-+s
It is more open than most of the competition. The “ethical” licensing they opted for however makes them incompatible with both FLOSS and open science definitions of open. Models that are open and true to the name would for example be GPT-J.
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7. hot_gr+HU[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 16:59:52
>>est31+k3
> In this industry, a contract with MS is as close to directly having a DOD contract as you can get.

Yep. While also partnering with the ultimate villain in the open software fight. Funded by taxpayer money yet closed... that's actually a lot of things.

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8. eatsyo+541[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 17:32:34
>>andrep+N4
I wish I lived in a world where I was able to choose which corporate road I get to drive on. Just imagine! I'm at an intersection, and I get to choose if I want to pay $2 to turn left and get home in 5 minutes or pay $1 to turn right and get home in 9 minutes.

When I have a bad fall down the stairs at home, I get to choose which phone number to call. 910 will be there in 10 minutes for $500, 912 will be there in 20 minutes for $350. It's great, being on the floor in agony gives me the opportunity to think about how badly I need to get to the hospital.

I can't imagine a better world than getting to do economic analysis to figure out what is best for me because I want a choice in everything private companies have to offer!

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9. Baseba+9k1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 18:27:53
>>andrep+N4
> The hyper-capitalist global market owns everything and that is good.

Poe's Law strikes again...

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10. wunder+gJ1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 20:30:54
>>est31+k3
What you say is true, and also would be true for most of the Big Tech companies. Amazon and Google are also beneficiaries of massive government and pentagon contracts.
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11. wetmor+yO1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 20:54:50
>>est31+k3
> It's published research, not hidden in secrecy, like say how to build planes invisible under radar.

In a bit of historical irony, the mathematics underpinning the development of early stealth aircraft was based on published research by a Soviet scientist: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyotr_Ufimtsev

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12. JumpCr+CO1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 20:55:00
>>eatsyo+541
> 910 will be there in 10 minutes for $500, 912 will be there in 20 minutes for $350

This exists in all countries with public emergency channels and private transport.

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13. pixl97+SO1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-01 20:56:31
>>eatsyo+541
As a libertarian I would come give you a hug on your views but I'd have to drive on public roads to get there so we'll just wave from afar.

Also https://www.newyorker.com/humor/daily-shouts/l-p-d-libertari... if you've never read it, may have to open in incognito to avoid a paywall.

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14. phtriv+Ef3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-03-02 09:20:01
>>insane+NF
My point is that, given the premise ("private people with plenty of money"), one of the outcome ("making it truly open and not generating any return") had approximately zero chance of happening.
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