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1. madars+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-02-23 22:37:44
Or, in other words, FBI now recommends using Android :-) It's baffling how much better uBlock Origin + Firefox experience on Android is compared to any iOS ad blocker I have tried. They kind-of work but let half of the ads through.
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2. poglet+s1[view] [source] 2023-02-23 22:45:02
>>madars+(OP)
Not comparable but NextDNS has been working well for me on iOS.
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3. dcdc12+S1[view] [source] 2023-02-23 22:47:16
>>madars+(OP)
Brave browser on iOS has good blocking, but the browser experience itself is a bit of a mixed bag.
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4. compre+h2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 22:49:12
>>poglet+s1
NextDNS works for 95% of the web I visit. AdGuard iOS plugin works on Facebook's mobile web app for when I rarely use it.
5. mlindn+C2[view] [source] 2023-02-23 22:50:35
>>madars+(OP)
Do all the people who use computers to browse the internet (the majority of people on the internet) suddenly no longer exist?
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6. contra+o3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 22:54:16
>>mlindn+C2
I'm wondering if those still are the majority, worldwide. Smart-phones have done a lot to democratize computing power (now if only they weren't used to put >90% of their users in corporate controlled walled gardens...)
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7. LinuxB+F3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 22:55:07
>>mlindn+C2
I'm still here. I've used a browser on my phone exactly once to register my phone. With exception to that one time I only use Firefox on Linux on an old PC.
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8. hailwr+K3[view] [source] 2023-02-23 22:55:21
>>madars+(OP)
Yeah, android trades browser ads for system wide tracking. I’m not really sure that’s a good deal.
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9. kmlx+R3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 22:55:47
>>dcdc12+S1
i’ve used this one for years:

https://apps.apple.com/gb/app/wipr/id1030595027

no issues, works great.

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10. jstx1+E4[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 22:58:37
>>contra+o3
I bet they're still the majority - the people who only use their phone do it through apps, not through their mobile browser.
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11. ajsnig+L4[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 22:59:06
>>mlindn+C2
Those who used them 10 years ago still use them... but billions who didn't use them then, use smartphones now.
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12. jszymb+o5[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 23:03:10
>>hailwr+K3
GrapheneOS is a great option for those with a Pixel device :)
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13. 63+D5[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 23:04:07
>>mlindn+C2
I don't have the data to back this up, but I've been operating under the assumption that the majority of people access the internet through their smart phones more than any other devices. Maybe it's my age, but a lot of people I know don't own traditional computers and if they do it's a single laptop they occasionally use for office tasks.
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14. layer8+S5[view] [source] 2023-02-23 23:04:50
>>madars+(OP)
AdGuard Pro works pretty well for me on iOS.
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15. wrycod+G6[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 23:08:45
>>layer8+S5
I'm reasonably happy with AdBlock+
16. kubect+U6[view] [source] 2023-02-23 23:10:03
>>madars+(OP)
1blocker works fine for me.
17. happyb+57[view] [source] 2023-02-23 23:11:14
>>madars+(OP)
I develop a popular iOS and macOS ad blocker that block almost all ads[1] including all YouTube ads.

Will be interested to hear if you've tried it out and what may have been missing?

The only things we don't block at the moment is some non-English content and Adult sites. With a small team these haven't been the primary focus for the time being. Other than those though we should stop pretty much everything else.

[1] https://www.magiclasso.co/

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18. thefou+67[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 23:11:35
>>layer8+S5
Yeah, it works well for me as well. I see zero ads.
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19. layer8+87[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 23:11:40
>>mlindn+C2
Mobile internet usage overtook desktop towards the end of 2016. Currently mobile usage sits at about 65% worldwide (slightly below 60% in the US).
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20. ryania+x8[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 23:19:17
>>happyb+57
Hey thanks for Magic Lasso. I've had it installed for years. Only after starting my app library from fresh did I realize how much I missed it (and it took me quite a while to figure out and remember that it was magiclasso doing the heavy lifting - easy to install and forget!)
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21. gigate+w9[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 23:24:50
>>happyb+57
The app works well enough but I deleted it. After setting it all up there’s no mention that it will work without the subscription. There’s no mode to say “continue without the subscription using the free services” just a very large button and a description of the price to subscribe. That’s hella sus. Also the very first screen doesn’t let you opt out of notifications or skip it with “setup later” etc etc — these customer / user hostile patterns had me so jaded I deleted the app and won’t go back.
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22. walter+T9[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 23:27:13
>>kmlx+R3
Another vote for Wipr on iOS for Safari ad blocking.

For system wide (including apps) ad blocking, Lockdown has a "local VPN".

23. agiaca+0a[view] [source] 2023-02-23 23:27:46
>>madars+(OP)
NextDNS (or a similar DNS ad-blocker solution like PiHole) works wonders on iOS.
replies(1): >>Samuel+4n
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24. radica+La[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 23:32:19
>>gigate+w9
Try Wipr (https://giorgiocalderolla.com/wipr.html)
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25. happyb+bb[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 23:34:10
>>gigate+w9
Appreciate the feedback. We'll take it on board for improvements in the future.

We recently moved to a paid app model with a 30-day free trial available (from a freemium app model).

Understand that this is not as appealing as a free-forever product. We found that we had hundreds of thousands of free users and not enough paid users. After developing the app for many years under this model, we had to make some changes so that we could continue to fund the ongoing app development and updates.

The notification prompt can also be declined in the alert that appears; though we could make this more obvious with a clear 'Skip' button.

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26. happyb+rb[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 23:35:57
>>ryania+x8
Don't worry I'm the same!

If you use an ad blocker for a long time, it's easy to forget how bad the web can be without one.

27. arm+Ib[view] [source] 2023-02-23 23:37:33
>>madars+(OP)
I haven’t used the iOS version of Orion myself (only the macOS version), but uBlock Origin + Orion would be the equivalent for iOS:

https://browser.kagi.com/faq.html#iosext

https://browser.kagi.com/

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28. gt565k+ac[view] [source] 2023-02-23 23:40:13
>>madars+(OP)
Brave browser works just fine for iOS
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29. kornho+tc[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 23:41:48
>>hailwr+K3
That is only if you have Google Play Services installed.
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30. scarfa+wc[view] [source] 2023-02-23 23:42:04
>>madars+(OP)
So tell me what ads I’m not blocking and haven’t been blocking for the last 7 years on iOS?

And bonus points - my ad blocker works with embedded web views

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31. scarfa+Mc[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 23:42:59
>>kornho+tc
So you mean like 99%+ of all Android devices sold outside of China?
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32. nixass+0d[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 23:44:04
>>dcdc12+S1
Browser experience is shite like any other Safari wrapped abomination
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33. pimlot+cd[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 23:44:55
>>scarfa+wc
PiHole?
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34. scarfa+ud[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 23:46:44
>>pimlot+cd
So I got to set up another server or I can Judy install any ad blocker for iOS.
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35. sidlls+Cd[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 23:47:12
>>contra+o3
Smart phones didn’t change anything here: 99% of their users didn’t care about the “open” nature of desktops before they were a thing, too. A vanishingly small percentage of computer users care about tinkering and openness. It’s been decades since tinkerers and hackers were the majority of computer users.
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36. stjohn+Dd[view] [source] 2023-02-23 23:47:18
>>madars+(OP)
meh there are adblockers on iphone that do about 90% of what ublocker does (defaults, not tweaked). Good enough for me to not have google in my life.
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37. stjohn+ae[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 23:50:23
>>pimlot+cd
You don't need pihole. there are adblockers on iOS. They aren't as flexible as ublock on android but they're 98% there and good enough with the added advantage that google isn't spying on your every move and sending it back to the mothership.
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38. cactus+mf[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 23:58:35
>>happyb+bb
How does this compare with just using Brave?
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39. sircas+Sf[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 00:01:56
>>63+D5
I’m sometimes shocked at how much my wife relies on and accomplishes through her Pixel 3. She uses a computer only when she wants a bigger screen - photo editing or watching a show. Everything else she uses her phone. Is very surprising to me. I feel like I can barely do anything on my phone.
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40. JohnFe+Wg[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 00:07:53
>>63+D5
I honestly don't understand how people can stand to browse the web on their phones. I almost never do, because it's such a pain in the butt. But c'est la vie!
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41. JohnFe+bh[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 00:08:45
>>layer8+87
Sure, but I assumed that was because of FB, Instagram, etc. Not browsing the web.
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42. 2muchc+eh[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 00:09:23
>>arm+Ib
Did apple allow 3rd parties using WKWebView to get access their JS engine? Orion really seems fast.
43. skhr06+Bh[view] [source] 2023-02-24 00:11:47
>>madars+(OP)
AdGuard is free and has never let me down. Sometimes preroll YouTube ads will get through on my phone, but it’s not a big deal.
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44. int_19+hi[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 00:16:48
>>sircas+Sf
It depends a lot on how much typing you do. If it's mostly reading, phone is tolerable. For HN or Reddit, I want my damn keyboard.

But, conversely, the way we interact online also changes to accommodate these trends. Twitter was an early example of that, and so is the focus on audiovisual content over text for the more recent social networks.

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45. grupth+Ni[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 00:20:24
>>skhr06+Bh
Is there an ad blocker for Safari on iOS that can deal with Youtube ads? AdGuard requires you to do a dance every time you reload the page.
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46. Nikola+Xi[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 00:21:48
>>happyb+57
Lol - I installed and paid... And then realized I havent opened safari since I got the phone. I assume it only works in safari and not chrome?

I clearly need more sleep...

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47. public+Ij[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 00:27:02
>>hailwr+K3
You seem to be implying that Apple does not collect a large amount of user data at the OS level, but of course they do collect those data.
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48. dredmo+fk[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 00:30:11
>>kornho+tc
That's ... near a necessity for most apps.

Though I seem to recall GPS shim that's available and which I really should swap in on my BOOX tablet.

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49. hilber+6l[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 00:35:06
>>hailwr+K3
Right, Android trades ads for system wide tracking and that's rotten for the user. Moreover, Android's tacking mechanism is brilliantly effective—one has to admire Google's ingenuity for its receiver/signalling system. It's so integral to Android that one can view the O/S as built around it rather than it as an addition/add-on to the O/S. Essentially, Android is an O/S built around an ingenious spying system.

It's just not possible to use an Android phone as Google intended (and as the vast majority of users actually do) without that tracking mechanism taking center stage.

My solution is to disable or uninstall Google Play Services/apps and I never create a Google account. Also, wherever possible, I use a rooted phone.

The penalty for such action is that many of the attractive so-called free services are unavailable to me. However, the benefits of closing down or uninstalling all unnecessary services and apps and disabling JavaScript are that my battery now lasts for days, ads are a thing of the past and the phone and internet access are much faster.

I accept however the vast majority of users either aren't capable of making such a tradeoff or aren't prepared to do so and Google knows that—that's why it's a winner. For Google, users like me are just insignificant noise.

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50. bigtex+gm[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 00:43:32
>>grupth+Ni
Brave on iOS blocks YouTube ads. I never see them anymore.
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51. 3np+pm[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 00:44:21
>>hilber+6l
> It's just not possible to use an Android phone as Google intended (and as the vast majority of users actually do) without that tracking mechanism taking center stage

These things are not as tightly woven into the OS as you make it seem.

It is very much possible. GrapheneOS, CalyxOS, roll your own AOSP-based image.

A completely degoogled Pixel series is even practical and realistic for casuals. As you say you miss out or have to fiddle a big for many apps which break without SafetyNet and other malware.

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52. Samuel+4n[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 00:49:42
>>agiaca+0a
This assumes you never leave the house (which is true for me lol)
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53. dawner+rn[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 00:52:57
>>grupth+Ni
SponsorBlock might be what you’re looking for.
54. corysa+yn[view] [source] 2023-02-24 00:53:26
>>madars+(OP)
Get Firefox Focus for iOS. Set it as the ad blocker for Safari. Works pretty well. No proxy involved. Extra-tricky ads still get through.

https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/firefox-focus-ios

55. Terret+Vn[view] [source] 2023-02-24 00:56:18
>>madars+(OP)
Sounds like you need to try more.

1Blocker is fantastic.

AdGuard for iOS is fantastic.

MagicLasso is free.

You can even run uBlock on Kagi Orion if that's your thing.

I use one of the above + NextDNS* and am entirely ad free all the time everywhere.

* See also the new AdGuard DNS.

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56. Terret+4o[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 00:57:26
>>Samuel+4n
No, install the .mobileconfig profile (or app) and enjoy it everywhere.
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57. tomp+Fq[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 01:14:22
>>happyb+57
Does it block Twitter ads?
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58. basch+Pq[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 01:15:24
>>Samuel+4n
There is an app
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59. calt+Kr[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 01:22:25
>>Nikola+Xi
It might work for chrome since safari is actually the only browser on iOS.

Chrome iOS app is just a skin over safari with some of the history/bookmark/etc syncing.

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60. kazina+bs[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 01:25:29
>>happyb+bb
> We found that we had hundreds of thousands of free users and not enough paid users.

Have you tried advertising? :)

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61. hilber+gu[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 01:38:51
>>3np+pm
"These things are not as tightly woven into the OS as you make it seem."

I know that but try and tell it to the average user. Even many of my techie colleagues aren't game to make changes to their phones for fear of losing some beloved feature. Frankly, I'm amazed at how tolerant people are to this level of surveillance.

That said, much can and does go wrong, resurrecting bricked phones seems to be a pastime of mine. As you know, whether one can decouple Google's spyware subsystem easily or not depends on the phone. If you can't gain access to the OS then it's not possible to roll one's own ASOP-based image or use some other one.

These days, many manufacturers are making it harder and harder to bypass security features, unlock the boot loader and install custom ROMs. Nevertheless I won't buy a phone without first checking whether I can install a custom ROM and it's definitely harder now than it was say five years ago.

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62. hilber+3v[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 01:45:00
>>dredmo+fk
Most F-Driod apps don't require Google Play Services. If you can live within the functionality provided by those apps then you're OK.

That said, I know many can't.

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63. EricE+7w[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 01:52:43
>>Terret+Vn
1Blocker has a built in internal device local VPN service that also covers all apps on the phone - not just Safari. Breaks any of the "free with ad" games so yeah, it's effective!
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64. EricE+gw[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 01:53:45
>>grupth+Ni
1Blocker works perfectly. And has a local VPN service (it's all on phone) that blocks traffic in apps too - not just in Safari.
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65. bandya+2x[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 01:58:49
>>scarfa+Mc
I think this was meant to point out that trading ads for system wide tracking isn’t necessarily a deal you are forced to make if you are a person who is motivated not to make that deal. For most people avoiding tracking isn’t even a thought. Their first order of business is inviting Facebook, Twitter, and Tik Tok to the party.
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66. realus+ez[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 02:16:12
>>hailwr+K3
That's also the case on iOS, the tracking has been a security exploit since it has a lot of permissions.

At least on Android there's a way to use a custom rom even if it's difficult.

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67. panopt+pz[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 02:17:15
>>calt+Kr
While Chrome uses the same rendering and JS engines as Safari under the hood, it doesn't share all features (like the extensions API). I think only DNS-based ad blockers work for both and content API-based ad blockers like Magic Lasso don't.
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68. dredmo+Wz[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 02:20:39
>>hilber+3v
AFAIU it's all F-Droid apps that are GPS-free. I rely on a small handful of others installed from the Aurora, Google Play is a requirement for some of those.

I may be hallucinating that shim, though I'm pretty sure it actually exists...

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69. LegitS+CI[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 03:36:51
>>Terret+Vn
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34918382

magiclasso isn't free

70. sailfa+YI[view] [source] 2023-02-24 03:39:30
>>madars+(OP)
Firefox Focus is pretty good for iOS.
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71. agiaca+MJ[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 03:49:25
>>Samuel+4n
As others have said, .mobileconfig or official app work great.

I geek out a bit and use Surge for iOS (pricey and not for non-techie users) and run a few proxies. It'll also allow for DNS override, which I use NextDNS's DNS over HTTPS.

https://www.nssurge.com/

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72. bdlowe+4K[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 03:52:01
>>happyb+57
What’s the difference between this app and AdGuard?
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73. bdlowe+BK[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 03:56:26
>>hilber+6l
Man, some people are just crazy. You’re so hell bent on using android you limit the functionality of your phone to it essentially just being a brick.

Buy an iPhone, install an ad blocker, disable all the tracking, and be done with it while still being able to use the features of the phone you bought.

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74. TedDoe+OM[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 04:19:54
>>cactus+mf
That’s what I’m using now and love it.
75. dngray+lX[view] [source] 2023-02-24 05:57:46
>>madars+(OP)
Just be mindful that Firefox/Android doesn't have process isolation. https://www.privacyguides.org/mobile-browsers/#android

This is because the desktop browser uses the full "Gecko" renderer, but mobile uses "GeckoView", that doesn't have that implemented yet.

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76. hilber+Q71[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 07:42:28
>>bdlowe+BK
1. I've owned iPhones and Apple is hell bent in locking me out of its tech. If you want to live in a straightjacketed tech world then that's fine. In my world that's a truely bricked environment.

2. When I make phone calls I use a feature phone, it's incapable of doing anything else. That is, it has no Internet access—not even Bluetooth.

3. I wouldn't be seen dead on social media or using a Gmail account, and I've no need of Apple's store or Netflix, etc. so the functionality you refer to isn't an issue.

4. My Android phones are for limited internet use only and or portable computer use. Similarly, the functionality you speak of just doesn't apply. They are hacked and tailored specifically for my requirement and they do exactly what I want. Right, I'm in control (unlike iPhone users).

5. Even then, as a rule, my Android phones don't use SIM cards, they connect to the internet wirelessly via separate pocket routers which further isolates them from internet gumpf and garbage.

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77. hilber+Ua1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 08:14:38
>>dredmo+Wz
"...all F-Droid apps that are GPS-free.".

Clearly you're right (sometimes I'm overcautious). :-)

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78. mackre+3b1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 08:15:58
>>dredmo+Wz
what do you mean by gps free? i have lots of apps installed from fdroid that use gps
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79. tempte+Vb1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 08:27:20
>>3np+pm
GrapheneOS prevents people getting adblocking working in Vanadium (the GrapheneOS chromium).
80. winbat+Ld1[view] [source] 2023-02-24 08:43:38
>>madars+(OP)
Most blockers are running through Safari Extensions, so they’re limited to whatever Apple allows them to do. It’s no uBlock, but I made an app that lets you run your whole device’s traffic through a blocker [0].

[0]https://apps.apple.com/us/app/tulabyte/id1566083358

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81. always+Mf1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 09:00:55
>>bdlowe+BK
Imagine not being able to have root, uBlock origin, or third party Youtube clients. Oh, and now also, sending every one of your pictures to Apple so they can call the cops on you to cover their asses[1].

1.https://sneak.berlin/20230115/macos-scans-your-local-files-n...

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82. always+3g1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 09:03:17
>>stjohn+Dd
Apple snoops on your pictures. [1]

https://sneak.berlin/20230115/macos-scans-your-local-files-n...

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83. gerald+lg1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 09:05:47
>>sidlls+Cd
one could argue that the mobile era has put computers in the hands of the vast majority of people on the planet that couldn't even be bothered to operate a pc.
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84. tpxl+Ag1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 09:08:04
>>mackre+3b1
Google Play Services, not Global Positioning System.
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85. hilber+lr1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 10:57:13
>>mackre+3b1
If you do mean Google Play Services, which apps?
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86. hilber+qr1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 10:58:19
>>always+Mf1
Exactly!

The user isn't in control but Apple is.

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87. hilber+Js1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 11:13:23
>>dredmo+Wz
"...I rely on a small handful of others installed from the Aurora, Google Play is a requirement for some of those."

Later thought. I also occasionally install Play Store apps via Aurora Store and it's worth noting that some state that they require Google Play Services but in fact they do work without it (I normally have GPS/Google Play disabled or uninstalled).

I've not bothered to research why but I presume it's the reporting mechanism that's not working, the core operation of these programs being independent of GPS (presumably this would simplify programming if the programmer is also coding the program for iPhone).

I'd be most interested if you or anyone else has more info about this.

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88. hilber+Mv1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 11:40:39
>>layer8+87
It will probably end up like C. P. Snow's The Two Cultures and for many never the twain shall meet. This shouldn't be surprising really given the diversity of people, views, etc.

As for myself, I use both regularly but for serious work the PC/large screen predominates.

In recent years I've often found myself working on the PC with a collection of phones about me all with different but related information on them. It's akin to having multiple textbooks open on one's desk for reference. It's also a handy way of not cluttering up my PC screens with multiple windows/tabs open.

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89. hilber+Uw1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 11:52:04
>>contra+o3
That's the tragic outcome of that type of democratization and I'm not sure it can ever be fixed.
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90. hilber+rx1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 11:57:16
>>sidlls+Cd
That tipping point was probably 1995 at latest.
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91. hilber+Cy1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 12:09:36
>>LinuxB+F3
Why did you bother to register your phone then? I've used many smartphones and never registered any of them. I wouldn't give the time of day to Google or Apple let alone my personal details.

Similarly, I use Firefox on Linux but I also regularly browse the web or post to HN on a phone that's been heavily deloused of Google using Firefox and other browsers—but never Chrome.

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92. viridi+8A1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 12:25:01
>>bdlowe+BK
Maybe I'm reading this response wrong, but your comment doesn't seem to make much sense to me. The amount of freedom from surveillance the GP seeks is not something Apple hardware will offer to you at any price. Google makes it painful and onerous, but Apple makes it impossible.
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93. LinuxB+dP1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 14:19:21
>>hilber+Cy1
I've used many smartphones and never registered any of them.

When I say register, I meant sign up for the wireless service. I did not already have an account. I was on my wifi and browsed to the wireless provider to activate my sim card and get a phone number. I could have done this on my PC but doing that on my cell verified with the vendor that my phone was supported since I am using an off-brand device. It was easier to copy the IMEI that way.

For Googles app store I used a throw away Gmail address that is not used anywhere else. I would love to put a new image on the phone but AFAIK there are no custom roms for my make/model of device. I would love to install GrapheneOS but they have sadly limited device support to Pixel. I am learning more about using adb since this is my first smart phone and with time I will neuter Google without replacing the rom, hopefully. It's mostly harmless for now since I rarely have the phone on.

replies(1): >>hilber+wm2
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94. culopa+SY1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 15:19:00
>>happyb+bb
Understandable, but if I’m getting ads because I’m not subscribed to things, I don’t want to suscribe to avoid those ads. I would likely pay a one time fee, but not yet another subscription.

I know you have your reasonings, but I’ll give you my raw unfiltered train of thought of why I wouldn’t sign up in case it helps you in your business:

“It’s only 30 bucks a year” say 100 other apps. I get it, you’re trying to make money, but there are many other ways of doing this for free. You’re not offering that much product to me that’s worth a subscription. Netflix? I actively use it every night. Spotify? Several hours a day. Blocking ads? Maybe a one time fee.

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95. alickz+z92[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 16:09:56
>>hailwr+K3
As does iOS, but the user has no control over the device so can't do anything about it
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96. hilber+wm2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 17:05:16
>>LinuxB+dP1
Fine, that all makes sense. As I posted elsewhere here, the problem of getting replacement ROMs is considerably harder than it was a few years back. I now go to considerable lengths to check if a suitable ROM is available before I buy a phone. I also don't buy one when first released, I want to see how a ROM market develops or if it's well supported. It's also a reason for keeping old phones or getting friends and relatives to give me their old ones, chances are they're easier to root/re-ROM.
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97. iggldi+UY2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 19:49:42
>>dngray+lX
GeckoView is literally Gecko with an Android API wrapped around it, so that sentence doesn't really explain anything.

The actual thing is that simply each app embedding Gecko needs to be brought up to speed separately, and if Android is lagging behind, it just is, "GeckoView" or not. (Even before the invention of GeckoView, due to understaffing Android Firefox used to lag behind in terms of multi-process capability, so nothing new under the sun…)

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98. dredmo+Fs3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 22:24:21
>>hilber+Js1
I'll look into that, thanks.
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99. dredmo+Hs3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 22:24:34
>>tpxl+Ag1
Yes, this.
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100. mlindn+wI3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 23:52:15
>>contra+o3
I don't actually believe smart-phones have done much to democratize computing power because phones don't give you much control over computing power. You can't develop software on a phone using a phone. And frankly the vast majority of phones have way more computing power than is actually used.

On a related point, the push to the cloud is befuddling when everyone has a phone with "free" (from the developer's point of view) computing power sitting there unused. Everyone's wasting money on centralizing compute despite more distributed compute being available than ever before.

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101. R_VelJ+2X3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-25 01:42:36
>>stjohn+ae
Instead, Apple is (https://www.macrumors.com/2022/10/13/ios-16-vpns-leak-data-e...). And so is your cell phone provider (https://techcrunch.com/2019/01/09/us-cell-carriers-still-sel...). And so is every third party app on your phone (https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/06/how-federal-government...).

Carrying a smartphone is incompatible with privacy. Unfortunately, so is using a credit card (https://www.fastcompany.com/90490923/credit-card-companies-a...) and having a face (https://www.wired.com/story/get-used-to-face-recognition-in-...).

We're all doomed, so you may as well just use the software that makes you happy.

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102. kornho+yw5[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-25 18:12:13
>>dredmo+fk
I have been running Graphene for years and find that few proprietary apps really need GAPS. I get a warning that it is required when they try to serve an ad, but I just dismiss it and enjoy the ad free experience. Graphene has great shims and even a sandboxed Google Play Services for those who want a lot of notifications. I don't use it myself, but my partner does.
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103. gigate+6Hb[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-27 22:10:00
>>happyb+bb
Other than paying yourselves which makes 100% sense what if any serverside or other costs does this app/plug-in incur if the filtering is being done from within safari?
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