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1. westco+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-02-23 20:59:30
Any recommendations for a good ad blocker and other precautions to take?
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2. sys425+Q[view] [source] 2023-02-23 21:04:23
>>westco+(OP)
I recommend uBlock Origin and the anti-malware DNS from Cloudflare
3. bogwog+n1[view] [source] 2023-02-23 21:06:55
>>westco+(OP)
I use adnauseam (https://adnauseam.io/), which is built on top of ublock origin, and it works pretty well.

The generic nuclear option to hide terrible web design, bypass (some) paywalls, and improve performance 1000x is to disable javascript. ublock and adnauseam both have a button to disable all javascript on a page, which is handy when reading articles on sites filled with garbage.

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4. _rs+q1[view] [source] 2023-02-23 21:07:07
>>westco+(OP)
On Mac and iOS I use and recommend AdGuard which has native content blocker extensions and lets you use Easylist block lists (as well as their own).

On Chrome/Firefox I use uBlock Origin which works well. I’m not sure if the community recommends something else at this point.

I also use various other extensions like StopTheMadness to disable right click hijacking and other bad behavior and Banish on iOS to prevent certain banners from appearing.

5. jjkmk+s1[view] [source] 2023-02-23 21:07:20
>>westco+(OP)
UBlock Orgin works for most browsers, and has been the industry standard for some time. You can even deploy it as part of group policy in an organization: https://deployhappiness.com/deploying-ublock-origin-for-chro...
6. nathan+D1[view] [source] 2023-02-23 21:08:12
>>westco+(OP)
uBlock Origin, Privacy Badger, Pi-hole, and a mobile browser like Firefox that allows for extensions for those times when one is not browsing on the same network that the Pi-hole runs on. One may also use a VPN on all devices that connect to a network with DNS-level ad-blocking.
7. ezfe+Y2[view] [source] 2023-02-23 21:16:01
>>westco+(OP)
I use Wipr on Safari for Mac & iPhone
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8. behnam+53[view] [source] 2023-02-23 21:16:27
>>westco+(OP)
I know most people trash on Brave, but honestly, if you disable its crypto features (which is just a click away), it's actually a decent browser that blocks almost all ads I see, even on iOS!

For example, YouTube has no ads in iOS Brave. Since iOS doesn't allow real browsers and extensions, Brave has been a sanity-saver for me.

Pair that with uBlock on desktop and you're golden. 98% of the sites don't break at all either.

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9. anonym+i3[view] [source] 2023-02-23 21:17:58
>>westco+(OP)
Pi-hole (https://pi-hole.net/) is a great ad blocker that requires no changes to your clients.
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10. jmclnx+p3[view] [source] 2023-02-23 21:18:28
>>westco+(OP)
I use noscript

https://noscript.net/

But I sort of think this may be more of an issue with Cell Phones.

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11. kracke+D3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 21:20:07
>>bogwog+n1
>both have a button to disable all javascript on a page

Be slightly careful, there's a known issue (limitation of Chrome really) where requests and javascript are not blocked in the first few seconds of launching a browser or an incognito window (you can test this yourself). And this is true even with "Suspend network activity until all filter lists are loaded" enabled, because I think it's some limitation on Chrome as to when exactly extensions get loaded.

So if you do rely on javascript being disabled for safety, after a fresh launch or new incognito window, you should visit a safe webpage first before going to the risky one.

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12. frizla+F3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 21:20:11
>>behnam+53
Safari on iOS does allow extensions. It also is a “real” browser, whatever that means. iOS does not, however, allow _alternate rendering engines_, which is different.
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13. markx2+14[view] [source] 2023-02-23 21:21:26
>>westco+(OP)
https://nextdns.io and then UBlock Origin, uMatrix, Noscript at least.
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14. mouse_+b4[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 21:22:15
>>anonym+i3
I feel like, for those asking for cursory information about setting up an ad blocker, ublock origin should be recommended, and not pi-hole. Ublock Origin is a one click solution that works great for everyone, while pi-hole requires setup and does quite a lot. For instance, when I was using pi-hole, Windows Update and Epic Games Launcher simply stopped working for me. I'm not sure what was going on, it could have been something wrong on my end, but nonetheless, I'd hate having to help a user with issues like this after recommending pi-hole when all they wanted in the first place was a simple ad blocker. In my opinion, pi-hole is great, but it should only be brought up in cases where the user has already communicated they want something more than UBO.
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15. kadoba+J4[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 21:24:16
>>frizla+F3
It allows one real browser. The rest might as well just be reskins for how little it matters.
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16. behnam+O4[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 21:24:41
>>frizla+F3
I find Safari extensions inferior than Chrome/Firefox extensions. Who thought it's a good idea to show extensions as apps on the springboard/launchpad??

I now have 68 extensions on my Brave (desktop). Imagine seeing 68 additional icons on my macOS launchpad!

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17. blakes+05[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 21:25:34
>>markx2+14
I think I found NextDNS here on HN and I've been really happy with it.
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18. Zurrrr+f5[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 21:26:16
>>frizla+F3
Acting like you don't know what a real browser means in this context just so you can be mock offended.

Oh you Apple users.

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19. haunte+j5[view] [source] 2023-02-23 21:26:42
>>westco+(OP)
I use uBlock Origin on PC and Adguard Pro on iOS (with the uBlock Origin filters 1:1)
20. pmontr+X5[view] [source] 2023-02-23 21:30:00
>>westco+(OP)
If you're on Android also use Blockada to block ads in app. It's a local VPN server that filters out requests to ad servers. I think there are other apps like that but I never used anything else.
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21. doogli+d6[view] [source] 2023-02-23 21:30:55
>>westco+(OP)
It ultimately depends on what your threat model is, what are you trying to defend against? I use Qubes dispvms (whonix if possible) for personal browsing, but that's pretty far toward the extreme end of the scale.
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22. Sparky+g6[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 21:31:17
>>markx2+14
NextDNS + Ublock Origin (or Brave Browser, since it uses the UBO lists by default) is a really good combo on its own, and easy enough for my self-proclaimed "tech illiterate" friends to set up and use.

Also, it's pretty cool that NextDNS has this: https://github.com/nextdns/nextdns/wiki

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23. fl0ps+h6[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 21:31:19
>>kracke+D3
I'm going to just read "limitation on Chrome" as "purposely defective by design" as there's sufficient incentive to delay disabling to let a few telemetric squeaks escape.
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24. anonym+k6[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 21:31:30
>>mouse_+b4
I respect your feelings, but Ublock Origin is not available on my Android phone or on my iPad. It's also not available for all browsers. It may not work for you, but for me Pi-hole is a wonderful solution for my whole family, and they don't ever need me to touch their devices in order for it to work for them.
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25. Sparky+P7[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 21:38:15
>>behnam+53
It's also way easier to just tell my mom (for example) to use Brave, rather than explaining extensions, why "uBlock Origin" vs "uBlock", etc.

Single app, all devices, works great out of the box.

26. Scound+s8[view] [source] 2023-02-23 21:40:50
>>westco+(OP)
On iOS (but also for mac and tvOS), I took my pick of dns based systems here:

https://encrypted-dns.party/

https://gitlab.com/nitrohorse/ios14-encrypted-dns-mobileconf...

No idea if I should really trust them, or if there’s a better way to install profiles directly from CIRA or Mullvad like I use.

Nice thing is that it’s device wide and all free (hopefully not for malicious intents).

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27. autoex+x9[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 21:45:20
>>bogwog+n1
adnauseam is seriously a terrible idea. It's actually dangerous. The idea that you can somehow trick advertisers by polluting your dossier and making it useless to them after filling it with random data is fundamentally flawed.

Every scrap of data collected about you will be used against you. It doesn't matter if it's accurate or not, nobody cares if they data they have about you is accurate, data brokers will happily sell your personal info to anyone even knowing full well that it's got inaccurate and conflicting info in it. Many won't even know because the process is entirely automated.

By automatically clicking on ads and "expressing interest" in random things you're just filling your dossier with ammo which gets handed to others to fire at you. Every random thing you add to your permanent record is one more thing that can only hurt you.

You cannot know what will prejudice someone against you. Maybe one day adnauseam decides to click on something that gets you flagged as having a certain political view, or having a certain sexual orientation, or being an alcoholic, or having a mental illness, or being at a certain income level, or belonging to a certain religion, etc. One day that exact data can cause you to get turned down for a job, or for housing. It can mean that a website charges you more than what your neighbor pays for the same product. It can mean your insurance rates go up next year.

You will never be told when it happens or why. Your health insurance company isn't going to tell you that they raised your rates because you (adnauseam) clicked on too many fast food ads last quarter. You're just suddenly getting a higher bill. Your auto insurance company won't tell you that they raised your rates after you were clicking ads for DUI lawyers, but suddenly they and every other insurance provider you try are quoting you higher monthly prices.

If your browser extension decides to go click on ads about abortions you could even end up being hauled into a texas courtroom and having to defend against charges. Sure, you'd get them thrown out eventually. Probably. But it would still cost you a ton of time and money and stress. The information in your dossier can get you targeted, harassed, or attacked by extremists. It can get be used against you in court rooms. It can get you investigated by three letter agencies. It can be used to impact your 'secret consumer score' or consumer trustworthiness rating.

The information being collected about you is sold to companies, employers, activists, extremists, and law enforcement. That data never goes away. It follows you for the rest of your life and will be used against you in ways you'll never be aware of and cannot today imagine. Filling your dossier with huge amounts of content (random or not) is dangerous and only increases your risk for zero benefit.

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28. Zizizi+P9[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 21:46:34
>>anonym+k6
It's on Firefox
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29. adgjls+Va[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 21:52:02
>>anonym+k6
it works on android (as long as you use firefox)
30. Zetice+rb[view] [source] 2023-02-23 21:54:14
>>westco+(OP)
On MacOS I like Little Snitch for OS level stuff, with some rule groups like ads_stevenblack and malwares_prigent.
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31. Workac+Jb[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 21:55:24
>>jmclnx+p3
No script is excellent, but it is certainly not for the faint of heart. It basically breaks the (modern) internet and then you have to go in yourself an unfuck each website.

The upside though is big, stops all the insane bloat that runs on most pages. Many websites run fine with all their scripts blocked too.

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32. kevin_+3c[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 21:56:49
>>kracke+D3
Just switch to a browser that respects user privacy. With NoScript you can fine tune which domains you'll accept scripts from when the zero-JS experience isn't usable.
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33. cld848+Ci[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 22:27:07
>>anonym+i3
That's fine if you have no other option, but it is inferior to uBlock Origin since it can't do any cosmetic filtering. Better to use pi-hole on your network for clients that have no other choice, but to then also use uBlock Origin on any client you can.
34. lemonc+nk[view] [source] 2023-02-23 22:34:20
>>westco+(OP)
A combination of uBlock Origin + NoScript + Bypass Paywalls Clean + FastForward + ClearURLs as well as a pop-up blocker of your choice, will make your web browsing experience a bit cleaner. Not all of these might available for Chromium, I personally use Firefox for my daily use, with some Chromium browsers as backup.

NoScript will break pretty much 50% of the web. It'll take you about a day to whitelist all the sites you use daily and then it's smooth sailing.

I would also highly recommend this privacy focused list. https://www.privacytools.io/

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35. bogwog+6n[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 22:48:08
>>autoex+x9
All I care about is hiding/obfuscating my personal information. I just don’t like the idea of giving that away for free, even if it’s actually harmless.

I don’t care if I get wrongly labeled/categorized due to this. It’s not like my profile was an accurate representation of who I am before I turned on ad nauseam. If someone gets dragged into a court room for clicking ads, that would be funny, and I doubt they would have a hard time finding support from orgs like the EFF, gofundme, etc.

One long term benefit of this is that if a lot of people use it, advertisers will start seeing diminishing returns on their investment in internet ads. This will lead to reduced spending and less ads overall.

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36. autoex+2p[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 22:55:58
>>bogwog+6n
> All I care about is hiding/obfuscating my personal information.

adnauseam does not do this. It only adds to your personal information. It doesn't hide anything.

> I don’t care if I get wrongly labeled/categorized due to this.

Then you must not care when you suffer the consequences of having been wrongly labeled/categorized. Nobody can make you care about yourself, your money, your safety, or your time if you refuse to.

> It’s not like my profile was an accurate representation of who I am before I turned on ad nauseam.

Again, nobody cares about how accurate it is or not. It's about quantity, not quality. Accurate or not, that data will increasingly impact your life in very real ways. The more data they have, the worse it will be for you.

> One long term benefit of this is that if a lot of people use it, advertisers will start seeing diminishing returns on their investment in internet ads.

this isn't actually true, because advertisers don't care. That's why the world is still and increasingly filled with ads that aren't laser focused on you as an individual. We have more and more ads on network TV, on billboards, on radio etc. None of them were stopped because they sometimes showed an ad to someone who doesn't care about it. Seriously, they don't care. You clicked, that's good enough for them. Sales aren't even always the goal. Being seen (or the appearance of being seen) is often all they need.

You're honestly only hurting yourself.

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37. wrycod+Xs[view] [source] 2023-02-23 23:15:24
>>westco+(OP)
I use AdBlock+, never had a reason to switch.
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38. kracke+bu[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 23:23:12
>>autoex+2p
>It's about quantity not quality

Right: regardless of what the ad is, just by auto-clicking on it you provide a signal that when aggregated together can roughly piece together your browsing history. As a toy scenario, maybe you only visit tech blogs, and tech blogs usually have tech related advertisements. The fact that you have auto-clicked on ads that were on tech sites, and not say fashion sites, is itself a strong signal that can be used to infer browsing history.

Also I think advertisers are already used to dealing with click fraud and so track metrics that won't meaningfully be impacted by this strategy.

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39. rrrrrr+8x[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-23 23:39:46
>>pmontr+X5
Blokada started sputtering out on me so I switched to AdAway on F-Droid.
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40. stjohn+TB[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 00:07:13
>>jmclnx+p3
Noscript requires too much effort. Ublock origin hits that sweet spot of install, configure, forget.
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41. mouse_+qC[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 00:10:14
>>anonym+k6
I use ublock origin on my web browser in Android (firefox).
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42. bee_ri+sO[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 01:33:29
>>Zurrrr+f5
Safari is clearly a real web browser, you can use it to browse the web. It is a weird comment, the more straightforward and honest way of putting it would be “alternative browsers.”
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43. warded+HO[view] [source] 2023-02-24 01:34:08
>>westco+(OP)
to add one that hasn't been mentioned in this thread, a good hostfile can both block ads and speed up your internet. https://github.com/StevenBlack/hosts
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44. bogwog+qQ[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 01:47:01
>>autoex+2p
> All I care about is hiding/obfuscating my personal information.

> adnauseam does not do this. It only adds to your personal information. It doesn't hide anything.

It does hide it. It hides it between a bunch of garbage data. That’s the point.

If the CIA wants to assassinate me, a browser extension isn’t going to help. But if I start seeing ads for adult diapers while I’m browsing the internet, I’m going to laugh and feel good about knowing they wasted a few cents.

> Accurate or not, that data will increasingly impact your life in very real ways. The more data they have, the worse it will be for you.

Sorry, but that’s ridiculous. It sounds like FUD a spam blog operator would say lol.

> this isn't actually true, because advertisers don't care. That's why the world is still and increasingly filled with ads that aren't laser focused on you as an individual. We have more and more ads on network TV, on billboards, on radio etc. None of them were stopped because they sometimes showed an ad to someone who doesn't care about it. Seriously, they don't care. You clicked, that's good enough for them. Sales aren't even always the goal. Being seen (or the appearance of being seen) is often all they need.

When something isn’t working, you stop wasting money on it. Ads aren’t going to completely disappear, but if collecting personal data on individuals stops being effective, then marketers will need to turn to other means of targeting. It won’t happen tomorrow, but I did say “long term”

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45. Zurrrr+OZ[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 03:00:28
>>bee_ri+sO
Safari is real. People mean Chrome or Firefox on iOS are not real because they are just skins for Safari.
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46. bee_ri+a61[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 04:01:07
>>Zurrrr+OZ
> Since *iOS doesn't allow real browsers* and extensions, Brave has been a sanity-saver for me.

I mean, the comment is pretty straightforward, I don’t really see the need to come to this person’s defense. I agree that the iOS policy is dumb, but deliberately misinterpreting this person to make them correct is silly.

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47. dngray+q81[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 04:26:59
>>lemonc+nk
The correct site is https://privacyguides.org

The former team left Privacy Tools and that is now just arbitrary recommendations by one guy who mostly spruiks cryptocurrency bullshit. He also has no experience when it comes to auditing, verifying any of what is recommended, not a sysop, not a programmer either.

If you want to know specifics about that see https://www.privacyguides.org/about/privacytools

Also see https://github.com/arkenfox/user.js/wiki/4.1-Extensions

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48. dngray+Q81[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 04:30:41
>>bogwog+n1
adnauseam makes your browser easier to fingerprint because it drastically changes the browser's behaviour. Do not recommend.
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49. Zurrrr+6j1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 06:05:41
>>bee_ri+a61
That's what I get for replying to replies out of context and going by memory. Oh well.
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50. mackre+lx1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 08:31:08
>>Zizizi+P9
also kiwi browser, which is chrome based
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51. gerald+5D1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 09:20:48
>>dngray+Q81
your browser is easy to fingerprint no matter what. but yea, i don't think this is a good idea.

just blocklist known garbage

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52. lemonc+aJ1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 10:21:34
>>dngray+q81
Thank you.
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53. pch00+tQ1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 11:35:58
>>ezfe+Y2
Another very satisfied Wipr user here - it just works.
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54. devnul+Hg2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 15:00:12
>>dngray+Q81
Should we also not use uncommon resolutions, uncommon browsers, uncommon OSes?

The personal and societal effect of ads are more tangible than the personal effect of tracking. Even if networks are truly able to use this data, it doesn't matter how precisely you can be served with ads if you don't see them.

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55. devnul+9h2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 15:02:44
>>autoex+x9
These theoretical problems sound like compelling reasons to damage parties that sell this information as much as possible.
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56. autoex+Ep2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 15:47:58
>>devnul+9h2
I'd be very surprised if all those problems were just theoretical even for you. Insurance companies are already using info from data brokers (https://www.propublica.org/article/health-insurers-are-vacuu...), employers are using it in employment screening (illegally) and data brokers have already been fined because of it (https://www.engage.hoganlovells.com/knowledgeservices/news/f...), it's used to set individualized prices online and offline (https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamtanner/2014/03/26/different...). Data brokers are already selling lists of people who have visited abortion clinics. (https://www.vice.com/en/article/m7vzjb/location-data-abortio...)

Companies are using every scrap of data they can get their hands on to take more of our money and they want more. The government is buying up data they can't legally collect directly. It's pretty likely that you've already experienced real world consequences of the data taken from your online activities. (https://epic.org/issues/consumer-privacy/data-brokers/)

They tell us that all the tracking we're subjected to is just about ads, but the data being collected is used all over the place offline. What we really need is privacy regulation with real teeth, but that's probably not going to happen any time soon because it's making companies tons of money. There's a multi-billion dollar a year industry around the buying and selling of the our data for a reason.

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57. CatWCh+Ij3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-24 19:48:36
>>markx2+14
gorhill isn't updating uMatrix anymore. That said, I still use it in addition to uBO because I find it very intuitive to use.
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