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1. nhchri+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-02-19 10:20:48
> Here we read, from the horse's mouth, the very human bias of wanting to be around people who are similar to themselves.

What's wrong with that bias? Let people associate with who they wish. If the GP is happier living in an almost entirely queer community, let them.

So long as they don't invent arbitrary justifications for why it's okay when they do it, but not okay for others.

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2. dijit+D1[view] [source] 2023-02-19 10:33:11
>>nhchri+(OP)
If I am heteronormative and I choose to exclusively associate with other heteronormative people, would you not be concerned?

Maybe you wouldn't, and maybe its not actually an issue, but I feel like a lot of the major culture war stuff in the last decade has been because of isolated echo chambers clashing into each other randomly.

If my feeling is right, then this self-selection is dangerous, as it doesn’t feed the other communities with appropriate information, instead it creates animosity to $others.

3. ominou+p5[view] [source] 2023-02-19 11:07:41
>>nhchri+(OP)
Without the intent to finger point, as I discuss ideas, not people, see this comment [0]:

> there is a difference between white people wanting to stick together and people of color wanting to stick together in a white supremacist society. In this case the white people stick together to maintain their oppression and exclusion, and the people of color stick together to find freedom and respite from their mistreatment.

Here's the problem. That bias is ok in some cases, and not ok in others, and the poster claims to tell us when that is the case. Assuming the society is a society of white supremacy, whites cannot gather, only by virtue of being whites.

The same applies for all categories you care to divide people in, in the oppressor/oppressor axis.

Your "let people associate with who they wish" is denied.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34856039

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4. nhchri+nN[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-19 16:51:28
>>ominou+p5
In a white supremacist society, who is going to stop whites from sticking together?

It sure is convenient if you get to be the one deciding who is an oppressor and who is oppressed. You can place arbitrary moral limits on the oppressor's behavior, while that same behavior is justified for the oppressed.

Even when it doesn't make a lick of sense. Whites sticking together maintains oppression (I guess Ukraine, being ~99% white, is the most oppressive of all), but people of color sticking together gains them freedom. But those are the same thing. If all the people of color gather on one side of the room, away from the whites, then both whites and non-whites will, by necessity, be sticking with their own.

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