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1. menset+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-02-19 03:28:11
Your decision may be contributing to the crisis of identity of women who do want to raise a family though, and who have been crushed by a culture who pushes college and helping capital owners as the meaning to life.
replies(2): >>TchoBe+M1 >>Samoye+L6
2. TchoBe+M1[view] [source] 2023-02-19 03:42:07
>>menset+(OP)
The only way to solve this identity crisis is to push the idea that women must stay at home, of course.
3. Samoye+L6[view] [source] 2023-02-19 04:28:46
>>menset+(OP)
My understanding is that this crisis of identity is actually on men, because men aren’t now the sole breadwinners and also don’t have girlboss feminism to bolster them. Men attain less education and are more prone to crime, homelessness, and addiction. The traditional role of a man is an emotionally closed-off breadwinner, and this doesn’t work in a world where women can rival men in breadwinning but also don’t have as many barriers to forming a robust social safety net.
replies(4): >>tsol+Vc >>sillys+sh >>throw_+cv >>muyuu+RC
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4. tsol+Vc[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-19 05:30:10
>>Samoye+L6
Both groups can have a crisis of identity? Conservative women aren't looked upon very positively in popular culture, this isn't much of a reach.
replies(2): >>throwa+se >>espere+5m
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5. throwa+se[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-19 05:47:40
>>tsol+Vc
Yep. There's no shortage of crisis these days! Both of these groups are definitely suffering.
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6. sillys+sh[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-19 06:32:17
>>Samoye+L6
> Men attain less education and are more prone to crime, homelessness, and addiction.

What an awful thing to say. It would be different if your comment taught us something, but it's little more than a well-written diss.

Imagine how you'd feel if the word "Men" were replaced by various ethnic groups, while still maintaining its accuracy.

At one time it was true to say that women were naturally bad at chess.

My wife supported me financially for close to five years. It's why I was able to learn ML so thoroughly. Maybe some men would view her as the competition, but I'm fortunate to be in a relationship where we don't feel threatened by the other. I recommend other men try to find this as well, since it's quite nice.

It's also nice to have a family where the roles are well-defined and reliable, and there's nothing wrong with wanting one over the other. It's personal preference, which you can't really control. But saying that men are bad at forming robust social safety nets is different than qualifying your statements with "some" or "most."

I'll be the first to say that it's a huge double standard to expect most men to be emotionally closed off most of the time, whereas women are expected to be more emotional in relation to men. But you're phrasing this in a highly negative way.

The women who don't become homeless often resort to sex work. It tends to be more difficult for men to do this in a financially successful way. Men are statistically more prone to violent crime; granted, and testosterone deserves to be scrutinized in its role regarding this. As for the addiction claim, I'd be curious to see the data, since my anecdata suggests mostly equal rates. https://nida.nih.gov/publications/research-reports/substance... claims the situation is a bit more nuanced:

> For most age groups, men have higher rates of use or dependence on illicit drugs and alcohol than do women. However, women are just as likely as men to develop a substance use disorder. In addition, women may be more susceptible to craving and relapse, which are key phases of the addiction cycle.

More generally, if you're going to paint various segments of the population with negative traits, it's important to bring data to the discussion which backs up your assertions. That way it informs the reader rather than polarizing them.

That said, if you'd written a children's book, I wouldn't lobby for it to be changed. I'd buy different books, or explain it in context.

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7. espere+5m[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-19 07:33:06
>>tsol+Vc
Wanting to stay home and raise a family (as a man, a woman, or anything else) is not "conservative", it's a lifestyle choice.

Maybe it's because I'm European but hearing the word "conservative" applied to a basic lifestyle choice so readily is really grating. There's more to life than conservative vs liberal and sometimes you just... don't need to give political labels to everything.

There's more to life than identity politics. Let people make non-political lifestyle choices without labelling them.

replies(1): >>dchowe+UR
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8. throw_+cv[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-19 09:32:45
>>Samoye+L6
Men may be have a crisis of identity but women still expect their husbands to be the main breadwinners and suffer from the mismatch of expectation and reality too. Women avoid marrying men who earn less and have no potential to earn more.

As a result I'd expect a lot of single men with below average income and a lot of single women with above average income who struggle to find worthy men. Statistically it is impossible meet two condition at once: 1. women on average earn at leas as much as men 2. In a family a husband has income higher than a wife.

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9. muyuu+RC[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-19 10:50:06
>>Samoye+L6
it really is for both, and it's not two independent crises; they're two mutually interdependent crises that reinforce each other
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10. dchowe+UR[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-19 13:18:45
>>espere+5m
"traditional" may have been the word closer to what he was looking for.
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