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1. Ekaros+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-02-18 21:03:59
Why shouldn't fat be normal descriptor of well fat people. Should we next ban thin? Or short and tall? Those also can also be derogatory.
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2. versio+e1[view] [source] 2023-02-18 21:13:18
>>Ekaros+(OP)
A simple solution that makes language more precise would just keep tall and thin, and then untall and unthin could be used. Adding "plus" could be used to indicate if someone was superlatively unthin
replies(1): >>leonha+en
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3. leonha+en[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-19 00:02:44
>>versio+e1
Oh yes and we could call it Newspeak, that would be doubleplusgood so our children won’t develop any crimethink!
4. upside+3v[view] [source] 2023-02-19 01:08:08
>>Ekaros+(OP)
You seem to have missed the point. So allow me to reiterate: fat is a derogatory term which lends itself to the idea that food fats are bad.

Food fats aren't bad. So call them chubby or overweight or whatever you want. Using the word fat, when fat refers to a food product, gives dumb people the impression that fat is a bad thing.

Do you get this concept?

"Thin" isnt a food group. Short and tall, also not food groups.

replies(4): >>cypres+2B >>gamema+wF >>oska+xP >>tekla+BP1
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5. cypres+2B[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-19 02:00:47
>>upside+3v
Fat obviously refers to someone who has a lot of fat. It's not hard to understand.

That a good diet includes some fat is orthogonal.

replies(1): >>upside+VK2
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6. gamema+wF[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-19 02:37:17
>>upside+3v
> Food fats aren't bad. So call them chubby or overweight or whatever you want.

These are two completely different meanings of the word though? Are you arguing that they need to carry the same semantics?

Should we not call smart people "bright", because people might think light bulbs are intelligent too?

Also, if I call someone fat, that might be demeaning. But it also might just be a description.

Of course nobody wants a negative description applied to them, and it might make them sad, but it's not because of the word we're using: it's because we're ascribing that description to them.

replies(1): >>upside+ril
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7. oska+xP[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-19 04:07:37
>>upside+3v
This is just silly. Fat has two meanings. 1) noun, a type of animal tissue, which serves, as one of its purposes, to store excess energy from consumed food for leaner times. 2) adjective, describing a person or animal who has a lot of this tissue, possibly to a detrimental level. The first meaning is not derogatory (or shouldn't be), it's just a physiological description of a type of body tissue. It can be in the right places and of the 'right' amount, or it can be in the wrong places and too much or too little. That's when we get into the second meaning (derived from the first) where there is an excess and that excess is getting stored in the wrong places (both on the superficial level and deeper in organs and clogging up arteries & veins).

Thin, short and tall are all just straight adjectives. Them being that doesn't invalidate the double meaning of fat and somehow (by your logic) the word itself.

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8. tekla+BP1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-19 15:00:34
>>upside+3v
Being fat is bad. Fat shaming should be a thing

*Formerly extremely obese person.

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9. upside+VK2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-19 20:43:10
>>cypres+2B
Most children dont think orthogonally.

"Fat" is an insult. It isnt hard to understand. Is it factually true that an obese person is 'fat', sure. It is still generally regarded as an insult.

Most of these replies are coming from idiots. This is both factual and an insult.

I havent made any remarks defending obesity or suggesting we need to curtail efforts of obese people to control their weight

Calling a character in a kids book "fat" doesnt help kids stay healthy and fit. Insulting and shaming kids doesnt help them stay healthy and fit. Their parents probably feed them garbage and have made poor lifestyle decisions.

It is really simple.

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10. upside+ril[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-25 01:51:50
>>gamema+wF
It's a kids book, flashlight.
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