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1. basch+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-02-08 22:01:04
The point of google was to RANK content on the web, and surface the BEST content to the top. In that regard it has failed, and the expectation is for them to correct the problem and return to delivering good content first.

It's not that the content doesn't exist or isn't indexed, its that its been drowned out by noise. Sifting through noise better was the entire reason google took off from more standard crawlers. It now returns results worse than crawlers from the previous era.

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2. emoden+X[view] [source] 2023-02-08 22:05:37
>>basch+(OP)
> It now returns results worse than crawlers from the previous era.

That is an absurd exaggeration.

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3. basch+l1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-08 22:07:06
>>emoden+X
Spam masquerading as the answer to my question is WORSE than off topic returns, because it is a trick vs being something I can easily disregard.

Before the results would just not match what I was looking for. Now they do match what I was looking for, except some AI procedurally generated the content to show up when I searched those terms, with no regard for the accuracy of what the page says.

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4. emoden+v1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-08 22:07:46
>>basch+l1
Then ChatGPT won’t satisfy you either.
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5. basch+X1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-08 22:09:46
>>emoden+v1
It depends on how state works.

If I say "show me the best winter gloves, and only from sites that you can verify actually product tested" and it follows the instruction (ignoring sites that just have a list of popular search results aggregated) then it is better. If it doesn't do what I want, I expect to be able to follow up and teach it.

I expect the chat style stateful search to take instruction for what type of sites I want results from. "Return me a list of websites with recipes for Bolognese that do not have a long story above the recipe. Build a table with the top five results normalized for portion size, comparing and contrasting the ingredients. Highlight unique ingredients in bold."

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6. squiff+34[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-08 22:16:44
>>emoden+X
Not really everyone's familiar with the example of cooking recipes being breakfast with the author's life story in order to improve their position in Google rankings, but it's far more prevalent than just recipes. Today I tried to look up something about a feature in a particular piece of reasonably popular desktop software. The top hit that wasn't an advert was several years out of date. The second hit was clearly artificially inflated to long form journalism to try and get me to read a thousand words where 10 would do. Duck duck go linked me to some actual recent results, just like I would have expected with the crawlers of the previous era
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