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1. marcop+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-02-08 21:38:46
It's been a while since they stopped innovating.

Although Google, Maps, Youtube are of daily use they are monetized exclusively by advertising which is annoying and hated by many. It has been many years since Google has launched an innovative new product.

I don't think ChatGPT will gain daily traction after this hype. Anyway we could say that MSFT and AMZN have demostrated more power to innovate with different business models (not only adv) and products.

The GOOG stock has a PE (Price/earning) of 23, while Coca cola 26. So the stock market expect higher growth from CocaCola than Google. Quite surprising.

- GOOGLE PE (23): https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/GOOGL/alphabet/pe-...

- COCA COLA PE (26): https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/KO/cocacola/pe-rat...

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2. josu+D[view] [source] 2023-02-08 21:40:59
>>marcop+(OP)
>It has been many years since Google has launched an innovative new product.

Stadia launched in 2019.

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3. silisi+k1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-08 21:43:42
>>josu+D
Stadia wasn't really that innovative, how many times has cloud/streaming gaming been done before? I can think of at least 3.

Also, it's already dead.

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4. bobthe+l1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-08 21:43:44
>>josu+D
I suppose successful new product? It’s already closed.
5. xyzzyz+P1[view] [source] 2023-02-08 21:46:00
>>marcop+(OP)
They didn’t exactly stop innovating: ChatGPT itself is using tremendous amounts of innovation that was done and published by Google. What they stopped is beating their competition to launching compelling products based on the innovation they do.
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6. Sebgue+R1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-08 21:46:10
>>silisi+k1
Yeah, OnLive did it back in 2003!
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7. mertd+T1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-08 21:46:17
>>silisi+k1
Which three? Did they actually work with reasonable input latency?
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8. kec+s2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-08 21:47:59
>>josu+D
OnLive was 2009, PS Now was 2014, and Geforce Now launched in 2015.

Stadia might have been well executed from a technical standpoint but AAA game streaming wasn't exactly a new and innovative idea in 2019.

9. lyu072+F2[view] [source] 2023-02-08 21:49:14
>>marcop+(OP)
They are kind of forced to keep up or die now, not a good place to be in. It feels like everyone always just assumed they must have super advanced AI behind closed doors. Perhaps that was a wrong assumption because they never actually seem to *do* anything with it, but we will probably know that for sure very soon.
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10. silisi+93[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-08 21:51:16
>>mertd+T1
I thought of OnLive, Shadow, and Geforce Now.

The only one of those I'd used was Geforce Now, and found it very similar to Stadia wrt latency. Stadia had a much nicer interface, though.

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11. jibe+d3[view] [source] 2023-02-08 21:51:20
>>marcop+(OP)
Google, Maps, Youtube are of daily use they are monetized exclusively by advertising.

I don’t know how much. Money it makes, but there is paid API access to maps.

12. system+05[view] [source] 2023-02-08 21:57:37
>>marcop+(OP)
Ads aside, the UI of Youtube and Maps is atrocious. There is so much room for improvement here, but it will never happen from Google. It's just not in their DNA. Unfortunately, they have such a huge moat here I doubt we'll see anything better for a long time.
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13. snuxol+M5[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-08 22:00:44
>>silisi+93
PlayStation Now already existed for years as well.
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14. hoppyh+W9[view] [source] 2023-02-08 22:16:52
>>marcop+(OP)
Note that YouTube was acquired by Google in 2006; it's not a product that was launched by Google.
15. awad+Y9[view] [source] 2023-02-08 22:17:09
>>marcop+(OP)
I think YouTube, which has a paid and ad-free version along with its Live TV offering, somehow manages to still be a sleeper hit within the larger Google portfolio and doesn't get talked about enough.
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16. joshru+Sa[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-08 22:20:54
>>josu+D
And it's dead.
17. someth+2b[view] [source] 2023-02-08 22:22:00
>>marcop+(OP)
Some have postulated that this might be Google's Blackberry moment. On the flip side I wonder if its actually more like its Dropbox moment.

The press loves a David and Goliath story; the young disruptor versus the stodgy disrupted.[1] At that time, Dropbox was David, coming out of nowhere in a hurry and had a product that seemingly should be so obvious for Google to launch but hadn't - making Google seem antiquated and slow.

Fast forward a couple of years (aka a decade) and Dropbox is still going ok but Google Drive is by far more ubiquitous.

I guess only time will tell.

[1] Dropbox Versus The World https://www.fastcompany.com/3042436/dropbox-versus-the-world

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18. adam_a+Gb[view] [source] 2023-02-08 22:24:24
>>marcop+(OP)
If search gets usurped, or even a marginal but meaningful reduction in usage due to competition from AIs, then its not surprising at all that Google’s near term prospects could be worse than Coke.

Even Google winning the AI wars leaves them worse off as the operating profit potential of querying an AI vs their search index has to be far lower.

As to usage, once you start to integrate ChatGPT into your workflows it can meaningfully benefit vs traditional search. Ive been able to find information on specific programming language concepts, with generated examples, far faster than searching.

I can ask it about GameDev concepts and ask for bulleted lists or higher/lower level of detail in the answers. Information is presented in a much easier to consume manner

That being said, most stocks that are considered defensive are quite overvalued on a fundamental basis. I would consider a PE of 26 for Coke quite undesirable, though there’s much worse

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19. bitL+Hb[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-08 22:24:25
>>system+05
They used to have pretty good UI for maps until some PM needed to make their mark... Given they count individual pixels and +/-1 deltas in colors I don't think they are ever going to get any UI correctly. The initial simple UI with just a single search input box that was highly praised by minimalists was just an accident.
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20. likeab+Xb[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-08 22:25:03
>>awad+Y9
What happened to the Waymo hype? If Waymo manages to break through and become a sufficient AI taxi, then car ownership becomes optional for a majority of Americans (unlike today).
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21. mejuto+Gc[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-08 22:27:59
>>someth+2b
Last time I tried to sync my computer to gdrive I waited 30 days before giving up on gdrive. Dropbox took less than 2 days, and stayed responsive.
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22. rchian+Tc[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-08 22:29:17
>>snuxol+M5
Which they got through their acquisition of Gaikai (considered a competitor of OnLive).
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23. adam_a+8d[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-08 22:30:15
>>awad+Y9
Agreed that a lot of Google’s bets don’t get enough press/credit re investment potential.

At the same time, a lot of these platforms ran effectively unopposed for many years, and now competition in advertising is spreading quite rapidly

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24. scarmi+Yd[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-08 22:33:49
>>likeab+Xb
Waymo has always been just a year or two from breaking through.

Google's gotten through the first 95% of the work, but the remaining 95% is gonna take awhile.

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25. someth+be[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-08 22:34:35
>>mejuto+Gc
Good point - I think the much more typical flow for Google Drive is cloud first for most documents and only uploading occasional offline document upload.

Which is perhaps why Google didn't really focus on creating a Dropbox like product until it was forced to because the more long term profitable for Google was a solution/vision based around a cloud first experience.

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26. scarmi+ff[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-08 22:38:43
>>adam_a+Gb
If Google ends up winning in the AI war, search and ads will be significantly cannibalized, but it will have tremendous opportunities outside of search, many of them in areas that don't even exist yet.

In some ways, it might even be good. It's suffering from a kind of advertising resource curse nowadays, and being forced and able to diversify its economy would be best in the long term.

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27. peyton+of[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-08 22:39:46
>>xyzzyz+P1
Innovation is the practical implementation of new inventions to deliver value. Google invented but does not seem to have innovated.
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28. adam_a+oh[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-08 22:49:13
>>scarmi+ff
I'm not sure, it seems many companies have comparable technology at this point, and Google is not known for being great at packaging tech into products.

They had an enormous moat and edge in search, but not seeing it for this next wave of AI. Barrier to entry seems far lower

29. Someon+Hl[view] [source] 2023-02-08 23:10:08
>>marcop+(OP)
Google stopped being innovative the second their "20% Time" got gutted:

> Employees were encouraged to spend up to twenty-percent of their paid work time pursuing personal projects. The objective of the program was to inspire innovation in participating employees and ultimately increase company potential. For Google's part, Gmail and AdSense both arose out of side projects. In 2013, Google discontinued 20 percent time.

What has Google released since 2013[0]? Stadia?

Then you tack on that Google Search as of today is basically unusable/broken with people needing to append site:, double-quoting everything, or enabling verbatim search to get high quality results. Heck, on top of that, I also have a uBlock configuration that removes 280 domains from Google Results because they're all auto-generated spam of Stackoverflow answers.

There is something deeply wrong with the culture inside Google.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google#2012_onward

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30. Ingaz+Kl[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-08 23:10:14
>>system+05
Actually Youtube is not so bad.

Youtube Music is really .. strange.

It looks wrong/outdated everywhere.

Generated playlists (recomendations) are always (for days/weeks) the same. Not a bit randomization. It feels like they were approved by party commitete for years.

I don't understand why they decided social network in music service.

Ah hell. CUE-lists are still too novice technology for them.

I still think that last.fm 15 years ago was the best music service.

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31. bobthe+fn[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-08 23:16:08
>>Ingaz+Kl
Youtube Music lost me the moment they shut down my Google Play Music and told me to kick rocks.
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32. s-xyz+Bn[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-08 23:17:57
>>Someon+Hl
“What has Google released since 2013[0]? Stadia?”

- GCP Suite (a full integrated and consistent suit, answering so many things)

- Google Workspace (trust me when you get to know everything that is possible you will be amazed)

- Tensorflow and other Machine Learning applications

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33. jessri+Ko[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-08 23:23:55
>>mejuto+Gc
Dropbox iPad refuses to keep docs synced docs that I have specifically flagged for this. I routinely open the iPad somewhere without a connection and see that the docs are a month out of date.

Not as mission critical as the desktop app, but still pretty frustrating that they can't handle this core functionality after years and millions spent on other bells and whistles.

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34. tylerh+Ap[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-08 23:27:10
>>Someon+Hl
20% being discontinued is not really accurate.
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35. uxcolu+7q[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-08 23:29:50
>>system+05
What things about maps and YouTube’s UI annoy you?

I find YouTube quite easy to use, esp the shortcut keys.

Recommendation system is another story.

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36. Someon+Uq[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-08 23:33:32
>>s-xyz+Bn
Google Workspaces originally released in 2006 (inc. Sheets, Docs, Drive was 2012, Calendar was 2009, etc), it was rebranded "G Suite" in 2016 then rebranded "Google Workspaces" in 2020. Rebranding an existing product isn't innovation.

Google Cloud is a worse clone of AWS, is that innovative? Redmond-style photocopying?

I'll give you TensorFlow, but we're talking about that being their death knell, so congratulations about signing their own death-warrant?

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37. Someon+ds[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-08 23:39:22
>>tylerh+Ap
They added so much red tape and bureaucracy to it that it is a distinction without a difference. Innovation went from a stream to a trickle after 2013.

It went from "spend 20% on whatever project you find interesting!" to "spend UP TO 20% on a project your manager approves of and can defend from their manager, with routine reporting on the status, direction, and potential outcomes."

Employees went from wanting to work at Google for the "20% Time" to not using it because it was a huge hassle that could risk their career advancement, if your 20% time project didn't pan out. It went from a perk to a gamble almost overnight.

The result in the same either way though: Google stopped innovating.

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38. binkHN+Ov[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-08 23:58:22
>>Someon+Hl
Stadia was amazing—sad it ended.
39. snake_+RH[view] [source] 2023-02-09 01:12:40
>>marcop+(OP)
Looking P/E without sector context is a bit strange. The entire comm services sector is down, it’s not just GOOGL…

Since I can’t paste screenshots from my terminal, you can see the sector P/Es on page 6:

https://www.spglobal.com/spdji/en/documents/performance-repo...

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40. bee_ri+ZK[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 01:34:19
>>mertd+T1
The discussion was about innovative products. An already explored idea, but executed properly, only counts as innovative if Apple does it. And even then, it only ran for a couple years, so even if we want to give points for taking an idea and making it work, they don’t pass there either.
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41. aworks+5M[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 01:40:46
>>likeab+Xb
Google is an ad-driven company and they haven't yet figured out to generate ad revenue from Waymo... (Having said that, it's cool that the Mountain View office building I used to go to is now occupied by Waymo).
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42. regist+FM[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 01:44:19
>>Someon+Hl
>I also have a uBlock configuration that removes 280 domains from Google Results because they're all auto-generated spam of Stackoverflow answers.

Can you describe exactly what you mean? If there is a way to hide specific domains from showing in search results, it would be an incredible boon for me.

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43. vrosas+JM[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 01:44:35
>>Someon+Uq
> Google Cloud is a worse clone of AWS

This certainly hasn’t been my experience. I’ve found GCP products to be much better/easier to deal with than their AWS counterparts.

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44. jeremy+CQ[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 02:14:11
>>scarmi+Yd
Dude they are running an open public taxi in Phoenix, it has the run of the whole city.
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45. iamgop+3T[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 02:31:50
>>Someon+Uq
GCP is definitely much better if not best cloud offering.
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46. fblp+0W[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 02:59:15
>>Someon+ds
thank you for sharing that context!
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47. no_car+MY[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 03:27:59
>>s-xyz+Bn
Also: - Kubernetes has been incredibly transformative and adopted by all other cloud providers - Golang - the language of choice for a lot of cloud native tools - Flutter - it may not be the incumbent choice but it makes cross platform development a breeze - Google Photos - no other photo platform comes close to it
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48. midori+S11[view] [source] 2023-02-09 03:59:20
>>marcop+(OP)
>It has been many years since Google has launched an innovative new product.

I can say the exact same thing about countless other large companies: Facebook, Intel, Microsoft, Boeing, AMD, AT&T, I could go on and on. At some point, launching innovative new products isn't really that important for a company, when many people on the services that company provides.

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49. tonigh+E31[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 04:17:47
>>Someon+Hl
Wait is the uBlock domain list shareable? I would love to add that to my config as well.
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50. nether+g51[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 04:37:06
>>vrosas+JM
Worse in the aspect of market dominance.
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51. nether+y51[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 04:39:53
>>midori+S11
Google used to be considered different from and better than all the companies you list (except Facebook). Being lumped together with those companies would have been seen as an insult to Google in the past.
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52. Someon+K51[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 04:41:19
>>tonigh+E31
There's a github repo, it contains other blocklists too:

https://github.com/quenhus/uBlock-Origin-dev-filter

In particular look at: dist/google/ and stackoverflow_copycats.txt

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53. sentto+d61[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 04:45:13
>>no_car+MY
Perhaps the original author should have specified profit generating products. Go, Kubernetes, Tensorflow are all open source and free. Google Photos makes a profit?
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54. Someon+e61[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 04:45:14
>>regist+FM
That's exactly what it is. See this repo:

https://github.com/quenhus/uBlock-Origin-dev-filter

In particular look in the dist folder, find your search engine(s) of choice, and then get the blocklist you'd like. Paste into "MyFilters" in uBlock.

Bonus: Here's one that entirely blocks Youtube Shorts in your Subscriptions feed:

     www.youtube.com##ytd-grid-video-renderer:has(#thumbnail[href*=shorts])
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55. nr2x+q61[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 04:46:38
>>no_car+MY
Apple photos now offers full user controlled encryption. Google Photos has no such protections and never will. Apple may not be saints, but the fact is there’s one photo service where the photos remain yours, and another where a photo of your kid can get your entire digital life nuked with zero recourse.
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56. midori+V61[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 04:51:22
>>nether+y51
Times change, and companies grow and mature. Intel used to be a big innovator too, like when they decided making RAM wasn't the best strategy and decided to try making CPUs instead. They've come a long way since inventing the 4004.
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57. nr2x+471[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 04:53:02
>>someth+2b
Google makes fuck all revenue from Drive, it never mattered. EVERYTHING at Google, most notably the cash fire that is Cloud, is funded by Search. This is the first time that is in danger and over 25 years they never came up with a fallback plan. This is an unmitigated disaster and purely the result of mismanagement.
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58. nr2x+n71[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 04:54:31
>>xyzzyz+P1
Nearly all of the authors left Google years ago. If the company doesn’t keep the people innovating it’s not like they’re some magic middle manager who can make it happen without them.
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59. nr2x+t71[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 04:56:24
>>likeab+Xb
I wouldn’t be surprised if they got spun off to die. The amount of cash they burned on that is insane.
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60. trilob+N91[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 05:20:42
>>midori+S11
It is if you don't want to wind up like IBM, i.e. - a company that could have been so much more, knew it had to change at the leadership level, and yet still couldn't get out of their own way. Apple's renaissance came because they started releasing innovative products and cannibalizing their own business.

Disrupt yourself before someone else does.

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61. kevin_+Z91[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 05:23:23
>>likeab+Xb
> becomes optional for a majority of Americans

No it won't. It will be an option for those who can depend on a car service due to proximity to a city.

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62. antoni+wc1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 05:54:45
>>awad+Y9
It’s definitely because Susan Wojcicki is at the helm. Interestingly, Google started in her (parents?) garage.

Here’s a tour of the recreation https://maps.app.goo.gl/syHHp9GWmaGA5Woz7

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63. ximi+xc1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 05:54:45
>>kevin_+Z91
Data from the 2010 Census: 80.7%: Percent of the U.S. population is urban (living in Urbanized area or Urban Cluster).

Sounds like a majority to me.

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64. lmm+Ee1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 06:21:16
>>uxcolu+7q
The most infuriating thing with Maps is that if you're looking at directions and have got the viewport where you want it and want to do something there (e.g. look at the description of a restaurant that's near the station you're changing at, or get directions to somewhere along your route), you can't. There's no way to escape from "directions mode" except hitting the back button, which resets your viewport. So you have to memorize the name of the place you're interested in, exit directions, and then hope that searching finds the place you were looking at a second ago (which, maybe in English it does, but searching for a Japanese place by name works maybe 1/3 of the time).
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65. ryboso+9g1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 06:38:00
>>nr2x+471
Cloud operating losses have dropped substantially YoY, and revenue has risen steadily. It is at most a few years from profitability.
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66. tigers+Pg1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 06:44:42
>>no_car+MY
Go is from 2009, so well before 2013. Google photos was launched 4 years after Apple photos on iCloud, so I wouldn’t call it innovative.
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67. goldfe+Sg1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 06:45:13
>>s-xyz+Bn
That just expands on the parent's point. Let us divide the number of teams Google has globally by the three fronts you mention.
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68. dreamc+nh1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 06:51:17
>>jessri+Ko
Apple is forcing Dropbox to cripple itself because they now have to use Apple's own cloud file sync API which is hot garbage. I don't know if this is the cause of your iPad issue, but Dropbox on MacOS is about to get a whole lot shittier.
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69. manuel+Jj1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 07:13:38
>>scarmi+Yd
That maths sure make it a very hard problem to solve. But jokes aside I see your point. Isn’t that always the case with this kind of issues? Doing the first big chunk is relatively easy and then the final details are very hard?
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70. pkulak+ik1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 07:18:56
>>iamgop+3T
But it’s not innovative.
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71. midori+Xk1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 07:25:11
>>trilob+N91
Most large companies would just destroy themselves if they tried this. IBM is still there, decades later. Why is it not good enough to just continue to exist and generate profits, even if you aren't the highest-market-cap company on the planet?
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72. Euphor+nl1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 07:28:40
>>Someon+Hl
Alphafold. They should pivot to biomedical company.
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73. Dangit+am1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 07:35:58
>>vrosas+JM
Agreed. I can actually just figure out how to do simple things in GCP console by clicking around the UI, including setting up networks, doing IAM, and getting stuff talking to each other, most of it without ever leaving the web browser or even peeking at documentation. Good luck doing that with AWS.
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74. oblio+zm1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 07:39:45
>>ryboso+9g1
We're in a recession. It's quite likely cloud falls into a race to the bottom.

The "at most a few years from profitability" after a period of what, 15 boom years?, doesn't sound that great as the 3rd place contender.

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75. alto22+Hm1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 07:42:00
>>Sebgue+R1
Wikipedia says the company was founded in 2009. I remember trying it in 2010 too.
replies(1): >>Sebgue+n95
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76. oblio+Wm1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 07:44:30
>>jeremy+CQ
Isn't Phoenix:

1. Car infested ergo perfect venue area for testing autonomous cars, since the infrastructure is through and through car oriented at the detriment of every other form of mobility (walking, cycling, buses, trams, trains, etc)?

2. Super hot and sunny, ergo no fog, no rain, no sleet, no ice, no special weather conditions to handle.

3. Flat like a pancake, making terrain management, coupled with the nice, wide roads from point #1, so super easy mode.

Let's see them scale Waymo to at least 3 out of the following: San Francisco, NYC, Bucharest, Istanbul, Mumbai, St. Petersburg, etc.

That could be at least a decade away.

replies(1): >>jeremy+Qj2
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77. ripper+9o1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 07:53:53
>>pkulak+ik1
Kubernetes, BigQuery, Tensorflow, custom VM shapes etc would beg to disagree.
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78. someth+Wt1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 08:52:40
>>ryboso+9g1
Agreed.

Also the comparison is between Google versus Dropbox (the underdog David that's analogous to OpenAI), not Google versus Amazon or even Google versus Microsoft.

Google is 51% of office productivity software market versus Microsoft. Microsoft is at 47%, Dropbox isn't even listed. [1]

Dropbox has a decent share of the personal cloud storage market but has really failed to expand beyond that vertical or become significantly profitable. [2]

[1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/983299/worldwide-market-...

[2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/1328893/global-file-shar...

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79. r12343+az1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 09:36:29
>>josu+D
> went offline permanently on January 18, 2023

Lol.

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80. acjaco+iA1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 09:45:28
>>lmm+Ee1
This is weird because the behavior you describe is available on the desktop version of Maps, but not in the mobile app. I can't imagine why...
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81. graphe+oA1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 09:47:03
>>Someon+e61
Thank you. Will this die with v3 manifest in Chrome? I used a plugin to disable some google results but this is amazing!
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82. sofixa+gI1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 10:57:31
>>pkulak+ik1
It was when it came out in the form of App Engine. It was when it released managed Kubernetes and then managed containers within Kubernetes (Cloud Run using Knative behind the scenes).
83. LatteL+S72[view] [source] 2023-02-09 13:49:00
>>marcop+(OP)
Google are a mature corporation. The fact they managed to innovate for so long is really a huge achievement but nothing lasts forever. The same applies to the rest of FAANG one way or another. Netflix cannot innovate out of streaming tv and movies, and now face strong competition from others. Apple has always been more about marketing than real breakthrough tech innovation and the bits of real innovation they did do left with Jobs. Amazon has flopped most of it's recent attempts (again, respects for running BOTH the worlds best retail company AND AWS). Facebook has been flailing around doing crypto currency and VR and getting nowhere. Microsoft haven't innovated since Excel FFS. Coke at least has the occasional new flavour...

I'm not "blaming" them, it's the cycle of life. Gravity eventually wins.

This is also a key reason for all the layoffs: Growing, innovating companies cannot ONBOARD staff fast enough, because their value is decided by how big they will be in the future and how fast they can get there. People are a profit centre. But mature companies' (in mature industries) only source of increased value is in efficiency, getting the same revenues with less costs. So people are a cost centre and they succeed by showing they're efficient (aka laying off workers).

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84. kevin_+ja2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 13:59:22
>>ximi+xc1
"Urban" includes second, third, and fourth tier "cities" with low populations and no fleet of Ubers today. There won't be a market for automated ride share for most of the US.
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85. jeremy+Qj2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 14:38:12
>>oblio+Wm1
Yes Phoenix is ideal, that is why they've been using it. I think it indicates they are more than 5% done though, is my point. Also they are operating fully autonomous public taxis in San Francisco, but not the run of the whole city, I think its just airport to downtown. But even navigating downtown SF I think is an accomplishment.
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86. josu+Uq2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 15:04:04
>>silisi+k1
Stadia worked much better than the competition. It was the first time that cloud gaming had no tradeoffs. Definitely a lot of innovation behind the curtains.
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87. nr2x+eF2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 15:57:12
>>ryboso+9g1
The point is Cloud is still 100% subsidized by Search, and if Search loses even 5% of market share in the next 12 mo it is a disaster as GCP cannot fill the gap as they are still losing money. The velocity at which they are losing money is immaterial to the fact they are not nearly ready to plug a hole if Bing take share.
replies(2): >>riku_i+id3 >>nerpde+KT3
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88. khmii+FM2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 16:19:55
>>xyzzyz+P1
IMO this whole narrative reflects a type of human bias and the reality that we didn't evolve to reason about trillion dollar complex business.

I love chatGPT but it clearly has a ton of issues. To declare Google dead that is point is completely absurd.

I can't think of a single transformative technology that actually has a first mover advantage. The first, second and third mover seem to make all the mistakes and setup the forth mover to learn from those mistakes for free and create a monopoly.

Counting out a company that owns Deepmind is just not rational.

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89. trilob+TN2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 16:23:48
>>midori+Xk1
Because once a company becomes publicly traded, that's not what the expectations are.
replies(1): >>midori+CL4
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90. riku_i+id3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 17:46:21
>>nr2x+eF2
I think cloud's net revenue loss was very small last Q they reported. They may cut on some personal and services and become profitable if decide so.
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91. nerpde+aT3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 20:08:07
>>Someon+Uq
PyTorch has 3-5x the use of TensorFlow in academia.
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92. nerpde+KT3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 20:10:24
>>nr2x+eF2
Google has over 165B in cash on hand. Nothing is that dire.
replies(1): >>nr2x+CJ4
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93. nr2x+CJ4[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-10 00:25:54
>>nerpde+KT3
Nobody got fired for choosing IBM either.
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94. midori+CL4[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-10 00:37:07
>>trilob+TN2
Decades ago, it used to good and normal for big companies to simply stay the same size, make a steady profit, and return dividends to their shareholders. That's how you get a stable society, not with constant boom-bust cycles.
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95. Sebgue+n95[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-10 03:57:38
>>alto22+Hm1
Ugh, the google smartbox pulled '2003' from somewhere. You're right, it was 2009.
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96. jessri+Sii[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-14 06:01:15
>>dreamc+nh1
Very interesting and depressing. Thanks!
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