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1. pillef+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-02-08 20:23:51
We were quite happy with cheap energy and it was great to have a choice between Russian gas and American LNG, until that option disappeared.
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2. letrow+62[view] [source] 2023-02-08 20:32:16
>>pillef+(OP)
That option disappeared when Russia invaded Ukraine, not when the pipeline was blown up (at least if you rate human life over economics). Nobody should buy anything from a regime like Putin's Russia.
replies(1): >>RobotT+sC
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3. RobotT+sC[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-08 22:57:05
>>letrow+62
It's fine to buy gas from the USA, the butchers of Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Yugoslavia though?
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4. Animat+jH[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-08 23:19:30
>>RobotT+sC
Yes, it's even sweeter because EU industry is quickly becoming unable to compete successfully on global markets and the Russians are getting poorer. Two birds with one stone!
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5. mint2+5S[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 00:16:57
>>RobotT+sC
It’s telling that this post includes stopping a genocide as a bad thing, I.e. the UN stopping the Bosnian genocide in the fracturing Yugoslavia as a bad thing.

Coincidentally, the Russian sphere is one of the groups mad about the UN involvement in Bosnia and Serbia

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6. lmm+y61[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 01:46:47
>>mint2+5S
No-one opposes stopping the genocide. The argument is generally that bombing Belgrade was unnecessary (and if anything, a distraction from the UN's failure to prevent the genocide).
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7. mempko+171[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 01:50:45
>>mint2+5S
I think the point is that there is no ethical supplier of natural gas.
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8. mint2+Fs1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 05:14:31
>>lmm+y61
The comment I replied to called USA the butcher of Yugoslavia.

Personally I’d call the groups committing literal genocide the butchers, not the groups taking action to stop it. To each their own opinion.

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9. LargoL+LK1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 08:23:37
>>mint2+5S
I'll just leave this here, in case you haven't heard of it.

It's about a documentary which made some waves, accusing the involved politicians of outright lies and exaggerations as justification for military action, which in turn then lead to the things they fabricated.

It was called 'Es begann mit einer Lüge/It started with a lie'

https://programm.ard.de/?sendung=281116097670119

https://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/umstrittene-ard-dokum...

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10. mint2+5P2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 15:19:03
>>LargoL+LK1
Great! because two Germans put together a documentary the thousands that died are back alive? The former victims will be relieved by their new circumstances.
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11. lmm+OR4[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-09 23:16:27
>>mint2+Fs1
When that "action to stop it" is bombing a civilian capital quite distant from the warring groups, you can understand people might not be enthusiastic about that.
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12. peterf+aa5[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-10 01:10:33
>>mempko+171
Norway? And -- as soon as the Tyra Field reopens -- Denmark?
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13. mempko+ud5[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-10 01:35:56
>>peterf+aa5
I mean, look at what the pro-German Norwegian government did during Nazi occupation? You can't escape this stuff. It's wild.

Also, petro states like Norway caused global warming and ultimately history will find them culpable for mass death.

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14. LargoL+2g5[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-10 01:53:25
>>mint2+5P2
What is it that you want to say? The documentation showed that the things didn't happen as presented. By people who were there at the times, and before. For instance rows and rows of bodies lined up, or stacked up in vans, on pickups.

They were like that because of cleaning up after some skirmish. To be identified, and buried.

These pictures were used to present it like that was common. Which wasn't the case.

The military intervention created the circumstances which made that common.

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