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1. cpursl+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-02-08 18:44:19
It absolutely does. Blowing up the pipeline took away Russias ability to hold the EU hostage with the energy card.
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2. partia+q1[view] [source] 2023-02-08 18:49:30
>>cpursl+(OP)
The pipeline was already not operational. What are you missing? If you think the US had a profit motive (which it seems you are saying this), NATO is much much more profitable than gas which will be diversified over time. So why would they risk the entire NATO alliance for this? Again, the theory makes no sense.
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3. cpursl+o3[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-08 18:57:51
>>partia+q1
I didn’t say a thing about US profit motive. I was very clear: Russia can’t blackmail the EU with energy if they don’t have a way to deliver it. Why would they want to lose that leverage (and their billions in investment)?

And EU industry very much depends on low cost gas (chemical manufacturing, vehicle and other industrial manufacturing, greenhouse heating, etc). There’s report after report of vital industrial facilities shuttering due to high gas prices.

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4. partia+s5[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-08 19:05:31
>>cpursl+o3
> Russia can’t blackmail the EU with energy if they don’t have a way to deliver it. Why would they want to lose that leverage (and their billions in investment)?

Because the pipeline was already off. The second pipeline was not operational. They already had no leverage.

> And EU industry very much depends on low cost gas (chemical manufacturing, vehicle and other industrial manufacturing, greenhouse heating, etc). There’s report after report of vital industrial facilities shuttering due to high gas.

So, your theory is that the US not only endangered the entire NATO alliance, but also sought to weaken NATO members? Again, how does that make any sense? You also fail to mention that gas prices currently are actually pretty low relative to before this event occurred and Europe never ran out of gas.

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5. LarryM+be[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-08 19:34:10
>>partia+s5
> Because the pipeline was already off.

There is a substantial difference between the pipeline being off and the pipeline being off the table.

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6. pillef+Lt[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-08 20:32:40
>>partia+s5
Gas prices are low due to American LNG imports. The US have fought entire wars for profit motives and are certainly willing to weaken any country for it, NATO or not.
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7. IshKeb+WB[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-08 21:00:38
>>partia+q1
There's a huge difference between "off" and "destroyed".
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8. Animat+5Q[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-02-08 21:58:17
>>partia+q1
You are missing the very, very obvious fact that NS could have become operational at any point. Taking it out physically means that it's impossible without lengthy and costly repairs. The profit motive is there - diversification (if possible) takes time. Companies can and do take advantage of that.
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