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1. izacus+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-01-24 15:26:55
Chrome will only be the better browser if Apple refuses to improve their own. This is how free market competition works - best browser wins.

You're now demanding to be forever locked into an inferior corporate owned product because you're utterly afraid that the better product would win. It's insane.

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2. snowwr+j2[view] [source] 2023-01-24 15:37:38
>>izacus+(OP)
This is just really naive. When Google controls the back-end and front-end, they can introduce custom functionality that simply will not run in an alternate browser, no matter how good it is. Microsoft did this extensively in IE.
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3. the_ot+u5[view] [source] 2023-01-24 15:48:29
>>izacus+(OP)
> You're now demanding to be forever locked into an inferior corporate owned product

Some of us are not. Some of us are saying "now is the wrong time to force Apple to open up its platform to other browsers". Safari on iOS is the one browser holding back Chrome from a monopoly for now. If you really want to see an open web, a more diverse web ecosystem, we have to expand the use of _other_ browsers such that there are again multiple, successful engines at the W3C; so that Google can't lock users out of their tools by forcing them to use Chrome. Only then will it be the right time to go after Apple's browser restrictions.

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4. jsnell+PJ[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-24 18:16:27
>>the_ot+u5
We've waited 15 years for Apple to compete fairly. Just when will the right time arrive? When Apple has finished choking the web platform to death?
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5. izacus+JI1[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-24 22:16:50
>>snowwr+j2
No, shilling for a megacorp monopoly to keep back the web because you hate another browser is naive.
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6. snowwr+Ad2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-25 01:40:59
>>izacus+JI1
I honestly do not understand the mental gymnastics that allow people to not count Google as (also) a megacorp.

The situation is not “Apple good, Google bad” or vice versa. The benefit of the current situation is that places these two huge companies in direct opposition and competition in the browser space. Using the law to force Apple to lose would take that away and cede the entire Web to Google’s control, thereby actually creating a monopoly.

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7. dmitri+gG2[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-25 06:22:04
>>jsnell+PJ
> When Apple has finished choking the web platform to death?

What a bullshit statement that has no basis in reality. I wish high-visibility "thought leaders" would stop spewing this bullshit (but they won't)

Safari is definitely not choking the web platform to death. It's as lively as ever.

What you want is a bunch of Chrome-only non-standards that both Safari and Mozilla vehemently oppose to, and a smattering of other bullshit features under the PWA banner that are coming to the next versions of Safari.

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8. the_ot+K53[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-25 10:20:51
>>jsnell+PJ
> Just when will the right time arrive?

Android and Windows make up four times the number of web users as iOS. That's almost the same ratio (Chrome:others) as browser use across the web. Get a significant proportion of those user to move onto to other browser platforms first, then go after Apple give the final 20% of users more choice.

(based on stats from here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_syste... )

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