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1. gls2ro+(OP)[view] [source] 2023-01-24 15:12:42
If Firefox will focus _everything_ on making FF on MacOS reduce their batter consumption to the minimum possible (less than Safari should be the goal) then I think this is the only _winning strategy_ for FF not going into irrelevance.

not sure it is also possible to compete on battery performance with Safari but that is the only one I see. Drop any other project, any initiative and just focus on this.

Why:

1. Because there is a big chunk of developers who code web on MacOS thus winning them means what they build will run on MacOS

2. Becoming default for this group of technical people means they will recommend it for their families and more important install it for their young kids laptops

3. Can do it with Google money :)

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2. kibwen+U1[view] [source] 2023-01-24 15:20:10
>>gls2ro+(OP)
There are approximately as many Firefox users are there are MacOS users, on the order of 200 million users. In fact, there are probably more Firefox users than MacOS users. Concrete numbers are hard to come by, but you have to take optimistic estimates of MacOS's userbase to match moderate estimates of Firefox's userbase. If Firefox is a global also-ran, then so is MacOS.
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3. gls2ro+8h[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-24 16:17:19
>>kibwen+U1
You might be right - I did not check the numbers.

My idea was primarily based on my experience is something like this:

I know (meaning I know what they use) around 15-20 devs on MacOS.

Almost all of them have FF installed. Some may open it occasionally but just as an alternative to open in private mode or check some weird behavior to see if it is cross-browser or cache related.

- personal usage: except maybe 2, all the others are using Safari (most of them) and Chrome few

- professional usage: except for the same 2, here I think Chrome is more used and Safari less

Thus in these developers' case, I don't think they will recommend FF to their friends or relatives even if FF is installed on their machine as it is not their daily driver.

I am in the same category regarding usage: I forced myself multiple times to use FF. Still try to do that couple of times per year.

But fallback to Safari because the battery lasts so much longer and because it is integrated with the MacOS keychain.

One might think that with M1, people might afford to lose a bit of battery but it is the reverse. Seeing how long it lasts one barely thinks of cutting those hours short :) Could mean starting to carry again the power adapter or always looking for a table near a power socket.

Here is a browser that I installed not long ago and start to like it more and more: https://browser.kagi.com

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4. dylan6+ki[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-24 16:20:45
>>kibwen+U1
I don't think anyone would ever dispute numbers claiming macOS as an also ran level of numbers. They are the kind of numbers that only impress so someone can point to them to say that the other OS isn't a monopoly.
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5. kibwen+sr[view] [source] [discussion] 2023-01-24 16:51:55
>>gls2ro+8h
Sure, and I'm not trying to defend the performance of Firefox on MacOS (I wouldn't know). But it's easy to see why it's not necessarily Mozilla's highest priority. Hell, there are probably more Firefox users on Windows XP than Firefox users on Linux (this may sound like hyperbole, but I know for a fact it was true as of no less than five years ago).
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