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And yet Microsoft is a monopoly just for including IE. Nevermind that they never stopped anyone from installing what they wanted on Windows.

>>Gunax+(OP)
> including IE

And also making it the default web browser.

>>Gunax+(OP)
Microsoft had almost the entire PC market. Apple doesn’t have over 90% in any market afaik.

>>BirAda+T
iPhone market share in the UK and US is a little over 50%, but in some demographics significantly higher.

The point is though, you can't install an alternative browser engine on iOS, you could on windows. So it's a bit of an Apples to Oranges of a comparison (no pun intended).

There is clear anti-competitive behaviour, even if they aren't a "true monopoly".

>>Gunax+(OP)
Microsoft had more of a monopoly at that time than apple have now.

The Mac and other platforms at that time was tiny, its not like today where its more of a duopoly with iOS and android.

>>shmde+u
And making it such a key part of the underlying OS it was impossible to escape.

>>BirAda+T
You don't need to have 100% of a market to abuse your size with anticompetitive behavior. The judge mentioned this during the Epic v. Apple lawsuit.

>>BirAda+T
This is a pointless argument for hundreds of millions of iPhone users that cannot exercise their right to free market.

>>izacus+Gh
They are exercising it by chosing to buy an iPhone.

>>samwil+w1
Not all anti-competitive acts are illegal, nor should they be. Building a sustainable competitive advantage is business school 101 for 60 years. Vertical or horizontal restraints are typically evaluated case by case based on whether the actor is a monopoly.

>>2OEH8e+vd
The lawsuit that Apple mostly won.

>>parasu+9p
Sure- though there was just an appeal hearing in November. The judge also warned that Apple uses anticompetitive behavior and is on the road to becoming a monopoly.

> While Apple is not considered a monopoly and did not engage in antitrust behavior on nine of ten counts, Apple’s conduct in enforcing anti-steering restrictions is anticompetitive.

> A coalition of 35 states, Microsoft, the Electronic Frontier Foundation, and several other groups filed amicus briefs in support of Epic's position, arguing that Apple held a monopoly and thus that Epic should prevail in its lawsuit.

>>izacus+Gh
While true, you are willingly choosing much more locked and walled ecosystem, with owning company well known for its practices. Its not something hidden, heck its being marketed to tech users as a feature.

Apple has strong proposition in many ways, but if you want more freedom that's definitely not the company you should be buying products from, not now nor in near future.

>>BirAda+T
The profitable upper middle class segment is absolutely dominated by Apple.

>>yreg+dj
You act like there is a choice. "Here is an Android device or here is an iPhone." We need to protect iPhone users because the market has determined only Android and iOS are viable mobile operating systems at the moment.

>>2OEH8e+Xq
Amicus briefs aren’t worth diddly when they’re factually incorrect.

The judge also did not suggest Apple was on the road to monopoly. She correctly pointed out one anticompetitive practice and forced Apple to change that policy. Which they have.