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1. jasonh+(OP)[view] [source] 2022-12-17 04:16:45
Yet another set of overhyped allegations against Yoel Roth, who Elon is currently targeting with a homophobic smear campaign: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/12/12/musk-ch...
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2. jacque+3[view] [source] 2022-12-17 04:17:22
>>jasonh+(OP)
Roth may well have an excellent case against Musk. I'd definitely chip in.
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3. exodus+Y8[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-12-17 05:44:01
>>jacque+3
The implication of chipping in might mean an unwise alignment with Roth's PhD idea.

His idea wasn't even "Grindr for teens". It was worse because he wasn't proposing a separate service. His idea was to update those sites to accommodate young people. Yoth wrote: "those services should consider offering toned-down content alongside adult fare."

Even if we're charitable, Yoth's use of the word "alongside" was unfortunate. Less charitable, a serious error. It's unrealistic to expect a service with such a concentrated historical purpose for gay adults, could pivot to a harmonized family-friendly vibe for young and old.

I wonder how he landed such a role at Twitter over other applicants, and what criteria he met, that others did not.

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4. troad+in[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-12-17 08:43:56
>>exodus+Y8
Your assumption appears to be that gay teens are not already on the existing adult Grindr, lying about their age, and being forced to wade their way through some of the darkest, seediest corners of the Internet.

I don’t know much about his proposed solution, I haven’t read his work, but judging by my own teenage use of Grindr (many years ago), a toned down, protected version of something gay teens were already going to use seems like a net gain for their safety and sanity.

I doubt anything like it would ever be legally possible, though. There’s just no amount of moderating that would keep a teen Grindr safe and PG-13. If even one thing slips through - and it would - it’s not hard to picture the media coverage. No sane company is touching this idea with a ten foot pole.

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5. exodus+UH2[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-12-18 04:16:58
>>troad+in
> "gay teens were already going to use"

We can't speak for all teens, gay or otherwise. They are not all the same mind. The degree of sexual activity and relationships among teens would range from zero to highly active. They are not all concentrated in the highly active segment.

"Grindr" services are commercial. Inherently promoting, advertising, "luring" target customers with a wide net. That would mean luring all segments of teenagers, if Roth's idea was realized. It's gross.

If some teens already use those services, parents and educators of the teens, and the services should do more to keep them away. Roth's "embrace" idea says more about his personal angle than consideration of teens in general and their families.

I see that Penn State removed access to Roth's paper. Nobody seemed to care. But it should be made available because free speech means we record bad ideas, discuss why they're bad, avoid them in future, or evolve them to better ideas.

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