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1. jcranm+(OP)[view] [source] 2022-12-17 02:47:51
As long as you are given the option to decline a request (a real option, not a Hobson's choice), it doesn't cross the line into state action. The distinction in legal jurisprudence is pretty damn clear here, there needs to be some element of coercion by the government; if the government has the same power as private actors (e.g., to flag things), then that doesn't meet the bar.
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2. jacque+81[view] [source] 2022-12-17 02:55:31
>>jcranm+(OP)
The FBI would upon such a refusal then most likely go by a court to see if they could get a judge to sign off on an order and those you refuse at your peril.
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3. jcranm+V1[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-12-17 03:00:38
>>jacque+81
I mean, Twitter has (successfully) refused subpoenas for things like demasking pseudonymous users in the past. Of the big social media companies, (pre-Musk) Twitter has probably historically been the most pro-user in refusing to bow to legal pressure.
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4. jacque+d3[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-12-17 03:09:19
>>jcranm+V1
Good point, they went to bat for their users on multiple occasions.

I have huge respect for the former legal department of Twitter, being under pressure from so many sides including many state level actors must have been extremely difficult. And to see it all squandered like this must be extremely painful.

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5. kadoba+F4[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-12-17 03:19:37
>>jacque+81
So the harm to Twitter in refusing the original request is zero, right? There's no "stick" if the downside of refusing is just them asking a different way that you may have to actually listen to.
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6. jacque+h6[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-12-17 03:30:01
>>kadoba+F4
That depends on the request. If the request was made about something that they felt wasn't legal then they could refuse it, then the ball would be in the court of law enforcement to decide whether or not to escalate (go by a judge) or to drop the matter.

I'm pretty sure all of those have happened over the course of Twitter's life span, but obviously those do not make for sexy releases so I doubt we'll hear from them.

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