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Yikes Musk is quickly burning through a lot of public good will. For me it started with trashing Dr. Fauci a week or two ago which was really dumb for a supposedly smart person. And now these mainstream journalists. As the marketing face of Tesla Musk is doing a lot of damage. No wonder he had to sell TSLA shares today as they were tanking.

>>entrop+(OP)
Stuck by him through the Pelosi attack but Fauci was the limit, huh?

>>entrop+(OP)
They are tanking because he is selling.

Twitter is going to be Musks' undoing at this rate.

>>aschea+Y1
The statements about Vernon Unsworth should have been enough for anybody.

>>entrop+(OP)
Hopefully Tesla will be finally decoupled from electric cars in people's minds.

There's a bunch of people normally on the environmental left that have become reactionary morons on electric cars, fear mongering driverless efforts and conflating all electric cars with the Tesla brand while misrepresenting the extremely rare fire problem as if it's more common than gasoline car fires (it's not by orders of magnitude)

I'm sick of ostensibly progressives demonizing decarbonization efforts because they're too technically ignorant to separate Elon musk and his terrible management, which includes extremely hostile racism, from an underlying technology that every car company is engaged in now.

It's classic FUD tactics that in practice just defends the existing order of the carbon economy, which is the most important problem humanity has ever dealt with and somehow the tech won't save us, verso books, this machine kills, etc crowd is now strongly aligned with what Rush Limbaugh's position used to be.

So musk can't fall fast enough. good riddance

>>entrop+(OP)
For me it was calling rescuers in the Thailand cave pedos.

Seriously, I recommend anyone interested in a heartwarming story to read the Wikipedia page on the Thailand cave rescue. Countries all over the world sent teams of experts to save those boys. Hundreds of people helped out.

It just shows how most people in the world are good, but at the same time how the media focuses its coverage on a small, sad little man tweeting from his private jet. Or at least that was my impression.

>>janals+N3
To be clear: He called one person "pedo guy". That person had been insulting his / SpaceX's attempt to help.

There's plenty to criticize Musk about, but this is clearly a case of "can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen". Don't get into a flame war and cry to the legal system when the other guy is better at it than you. The dude deserves no sympathy.

>>stickf+w6
Reckless accusations of pedophilia are fair game in your opinion? Really?

>>stickf+w6
Listen to yourself... the guy literally risked his life saving children who were trapped in a cave, and you think the mere fact that he criticized Musk means that he deserved to be slandered as a pedophile

>>stickf+w6
Oh well if he only did it to one person I guess it’s okay then!

>>stickf+w6
The worlds richest toddler wants to make everything about him, distracts everyone with a poorly engineered hard case vessel in a cave that the divers had 0 visibility in, had to take tanks off to push through narrow passageways, and on top of it he lashes out with a personal insult. I don’t know what the “insult” was, but it was a terrible design, and a self-proclaimed engineer/inventor genius should have either seen its limitations from miles away or should have been self-aware enough to shut up and learn more about the problem before creating a media circus out of a fragile life-or-death situation.

>>stickf+w6
Yeesh.

>>stickf+w6
Of course he deserves sympathy: he called Elon Musk out and in return got showered with the most disgusting personal attack. That alone should have caused Musk to be booted from Twitter. The fact that he wasn't is an oversight - in my opinion, of course.

>>entrop+(OP)
I've generally been a supporter up until now, with some notable exceptions that others have mentioned.

His recent contradictions in regards to his commitments to free speech have certainly burned through a lot of my good will.

>>stickf+w6
For additional clarity; The rescue diver, Vernon Unsworth, when asked directly in an interview, minced no words in saying that Musk's plan was bad and that they believed it was a publicity stunt. [1] Their professional opinion about the merits of the plan should be taken as read; they were there, they participated in the rescue, they understood the cave system, and their criticism makes total sense. A monsoon was expected which would flood the cave; there was no time for ad-hoc, experimental technology - they had to act immediately, using tried and true techniques. And I think we all know, in our heart of hearts, that publicity was part of what Musk wanted from the situation (though I do believe Musk cares deeply about children and probably was concerned for these kids).

Musk went on to hire a PI to try and find dirt on this person. [2] That sure feels to me like he couldn't stand the heat and wanted to use his money to slander this man.

I think it's courageous to stand up against one of the most powerful men in the world when he randomly decides to abuse you because you spoke the truth. I don't think the fact that he used the court system to do so detracts.

A man named Saman Kunan, 37 years old, gave his life in that rescue effort; he lost consciousness underwater and could not be resuscitated. Another man, Beirut Pakbara, developed an illness during the operation; he spent the next 18 months in and out of the hospital, before succumbing to the illness. I can't find an age, but photos make it apparent he was a young man. All twelve children were saved, along with their soccer coach. [This is mostly a summary of the Wikipedia article.]

With that context, Musk's actions are just so incredibly, unthinkably petty.

[1] https://youtube.com/shorts/VM31A4UsiU0?feature=share

[2] https://www.businessinsider.in/an-aide-to-elon-musk-hired-a-...

>>janals+N3
I can also highly recommend the 2021 documentary The Rescue and confirm that Elon is not mentioned once in the entire movie.

>>stickf+w6
How would you like it if people on Hacker News started calling you a "pedo"?

>>stickf+w6
jeez. get a load of this pedo's comment.

>>maxbon+ta
> they're an experienced rescue diver

Pretty sure he's just a dry caver, but he had the local knowledge of the cave system (when it was non-flooded).

>>lamont+7f
Thank you for the correction. I was relying on memory there, which is obviously a dangerous thing to do. After verifying what you said (so as not to make the same mistake twice), I replaced that claim with your correction.

I've given my comment another looking over & I believe it is free of errors; if anyone spots any, please do call them out.

>>maxbon+gg
It is kind of all over the Internet that he's a cave diver to the point where I started to doubt my memory myself. If I look his name up on DDG it comes up with "Vernon Unsworth is a British rescue worker and cave diver" on the sidebar which appears to be from wikipedia, but that information isn't there.

>>stickf+w6
Christ, reread this to yourself, out loud. You're saying he had it coming because he dared to cross Elon.

>>maxbon+gg
Based entirely on one throw away line in the movie Thirteen Lives that I just got done watching, I think it is possible that Vern is actually a trained cave diver, but the cave in question was way the hell over his head.