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1. andrew+(OP)[view] [source] 2022-12-16 02:24:49
Not that this is a good defense, but I think "genuinely scared for his or his child's safety" is a real possibility. Especially if he (rightly or wrongly, no comment there) thinks someone threatened his child... well, protecting your children is one of the more powerful instincts humans have, one of the handful powerful enough to outweigh an ego like Elon's. Plus he has to be at least a little frazzled by Twitter having no credible plan for being financially solvent after scaring off all the advertisers, so I'm guessing he's not doing cold, rational threat assessments of anything. Maybe that interaction of fear and irrationality does start overlapping with petulance too, I don't know.

I think people should take into account that something deep inside Elon knows he's in deep shit, and is probably contributing to him taking rash actions and generally lashing out. He was never a wise man, but I still suspect we're seeing him at a low ebb of rationality. Again, no sort of defense: this is a problem entirely of his own making.

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2. jeremy+q4[view] [source] 2022-12-16 02:49:20
>>andrew+(OP)
It seems more likely the story about his kid is just another lie to try win the moment. The LAPD statement is careful not to state that no crime has been reported or under investigation, but to leave that interpretation open. They are “aware of the tweet.”
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3. thefou+E4[view] [source] 2022-12-16 02:50:53
>>andrew+(OP)
I like how he’s all of a sudden someone who pretends to spend any time with his countless children from countless wives.

A family man isn’t a brand he’s been going for up until now.

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4. eqmvii+25[view] [source] 2022-12-16 02:52:27
>>andrew+(OP)
Yeah, well, if you believe in free speech, this is one of many (many, many) obstacles you will have to confront in holding up that ideal!
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5. andrew+v6[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-12-16 02:59:01
>>jeremy+q4
Definitely a solid possibility. Also a possibility he's just drinking his own koolaid, fully "believing" whatever is convenient. But honestly, the dude has probably been getting death threats for years already, in which case he already had reasons to be a little afraid. It's easy for me to imagine that fear cropping up here as being just one of the more prominent ways he's coming unglued under stress.
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6. ceejay+J6[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-12-16 03:00:00
>>jeremy+q4
Wouldn't be the first time, either.

https://in.mashable.com/culture/42675/internet-slams-elon-mu...

> Musk tweeted, "My firstborn child died in my arms. I felt his last heartbeat. I have no mercy for anyone who would use the deaths of children for gain, politics or fame."

> Soon, Elon's ex-wife Justine Musk revealed the real story and stated that it wasn't the techie but she was holding the child. She wrote, "A SIDS-related incident that put him on life support. He was declared brain-dead. And not that it matters to anyone except me, because it is one of the most sacred and defining moments of my life, but I was the one who was holding him."

If Musk wants to turn over a new leaf and decide free speech is secondary to protecting children, he should consider banning the accounts that have whipped up bomb threats against childrens' hospitals of late.

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7. andrew+f9[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-12-16 03:13:15
>>thefou+E4
Well, no, primal fear alone doesn't make you a good father, quite possibly the opposite if that's all you have.
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8. lcnPyl+6a[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-12-16 03:17:42
>>jeremy+q4
> The LAPD statement is careful not to state that no crime has been reported

"LAPD's Threat Management Unit (TMU) is aware of the situation and tweet by Elon Musk and is in contact with his representatives and security team. No crime reports have been filed yet." (emphasis mine)

https://twitter.com/WesleyLowery/status/1603558240377151488

9. gcr+qd[view] [source] 2022-12-16 03:34:27
>>andrew+(OP)
Remember Elon joking about pronouns earlier? It's hard for me to read that as anything other than spiting his transgender daughter. Between that and his "can't win em all " statement, I don't think Elon cares all that much for his kids.

But I certainly agree that he's going through a crapton of stress right now, and that can't be helping. I hope he finds a feeling of safety, but I also hope that his daughter also finds the peace she needs...

10. notaco+of[view] [source] 2022-12-16 03:46:11
>>andrew+(OP)
> I think "genuinely scared for his or his child's safety" is a real possibility.

I think he's scared for his own safety. In fact he has basically said as much. As rich as he is, he still owes a lot of money and favors to a lot of people. Some of them are quite powerful and ruthless. They're likely displeased at how he's pissing away the value of an asset in which they have an interest. Just because he's paranoid doesn't mean people aren't out to get him. If I had the kinds of friends or enemies that he has, and particularly if I had been busy converting the first into the second, I'd be worried too.

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11. jacque+Th[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-12-16 04:03:07
>>notaco+of
That's as good of an explanation as I've seen so far. The only problem is that nothing that he has done so far would reduce that exposure, in fact plenty of his actions increased it.
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12. kjksf+Mi[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-12-16 04:08:49
>>ceejay+J6
Jesus Christ, are you seriously calling Musk a liar based on who held the child the exact moment the child died?

Like he has to provide forensic level testimony with a timeline of who's holding a child while it's dying?

That's some psychopathic level lack of empathy for someone who's child died.

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13. kjksf+wj[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-12-16 04:12:54
>>thefou+E4
And how exactly do you know how much time Musk spends with his family?

This torrent of baseless confabulations about him is truly disgusting.

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14. ceejay+Hj[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-12-16 04:14:23
>>kjksf+Mi
I'm not, the child's mother is.

Fabricating a story about his child to win points seems directly relevant here.

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15. andrew+as[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-12-16 05:08:48
>>jacque+Th
Right, that would be the "rash actions and lashing out" part. Decisions made in fear are pretty well known for making things worse, not better, even directly with respect to the reason for said fear.
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16. albert+UB[view] [source] 2022-12-16 06:27:32
>>andrew+(OP)
He cares so much about his children that one have gone a long way to have nothing to do with him [1]. His personal life is a mess, really a mess [2]. Like many billioners entrepreneurs I think he is just an absent father who only cares about him self.

[1] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/elon-musks-daughter-gra...

[2] https://people.com/parents/everything-to-know-about-elon-mus...

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17. wooooo+kC[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-12-16 06:29:45
>>kjksf+wj
Statistics. He has apparently 10 kids with however many women while being a workaholic and a tweetaholic. How much time could he possibly spend with them?
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18. postin+qD[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-12-16 06:38:13
>>notaco+of
Internet nutjobs or people who have lost money investing in Tesla seem like more likely candidates to come after him.
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19. andrew+cH[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-12-16 07:02:37
>>albert+UB
For better or worse, that has very little to do with the kind of emotions I'm talking about. They seem (to me anyway) to start just north of the so-called lizard brain.
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20. philos+GU[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-12-16 08:56:43
>>kjksf+Mi
You have nothing to say about lying about having a dying child in your arms? I think you should reconsider who is the psychopath
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21. albert+011[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-12-16 10:02:10
>>andrew+cH
I think that Musk is lying again and using his children as an excuse, he just doesn't want to be followed next time he goes to current mistress.
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22. TheHap+a61[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-12-16 10:55:27
>>notaco+of
You believe rich investors and powerful people were relying on Twitter posts to track his location?

It seems more likely if you are rich or powerful, you have much better alternatives available.

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23. jacque+od1[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-12-16 11:48:54
>>postin+qD
> people who have lost money investing in Tesla

Those numbers are swelling steadily. And with every sale that Musk does he is adding to that pile. You have to wonder what makes him believe that Tesla stock is overvalued.

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24. jjuliu+GF1[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-12-16 15:04:24
>>kjksf+Mi
>That's some psychopathic level lack of empathy for someone who's child died.

You can simultaneously have empathy for someone for the simple fact that their child died, and also think they're lying about the details for their own personal gain. The two are not mutually exclusive.

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25. notaco+HT1[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-12-16 16:08:29
>>andrew+as
That is approximately what I was getting at, so thank you. The guy's obviously operating in a fog of fear. This is probably exacerbated (if not caused by) his notoriously bad sleep habits, and/or whatever chemical help he uses to sleep at all. What's amazing is that so many people don't seem to recognize. I guess they just never lived in environments where you learn to recognize the signs.

When you're in a persistent fear state, rational decisions become almost impossible and actions directly contrary to one's own interest become commonplace. It's like the skier who's trying to avoid a rock, but keeps staring at it and naturally starts turning toward it instead. Sometimes it's better to look away, even literally, toward the path you should take instead. Unfortunately for us all, Musk so far seems unable to do that.

26. the_op+gz2[view] [source] 2022-12-16 19:14:08
>>andrew+(OP)
This is indistinguishable from psychotherapy nonsense, palm-reading, soothsaying, entrail evaluation. There is zero factual basis for this “assessment,” and if you believe there is and buy into this, then you are only fooling yourself.
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27. LegitS+es3[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-12-16 23:34:42
>>albert+011
I think you're lying. checkmate.
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28. albert+YBb[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-12-19 15:55:15
>>LegitS+es3
Mine is an opinion, truthful doesn't apply.
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29. LegitS+OUe[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-12-20 14:17:52
>>albert+YBb
my opinion is you're lying, so right truthful doesn't apply. since we just get to follow your example and make everything potential bad faith, we can't trust you to tell the truth about anything.

In my opinion, you're lying.

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