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1. NL807+(OP)[view] [source] 2022-12-16 00:34:41
> stolen

Is it though? What if I were to look at your art style and replicate that style manually in my own works? I see no difference whether it's done by a machine, or done by hand. The reality is that every art is a derivative of some other art. Interestingly, the music industry has been doing this for years. Ever since samplers became a thing, musicians spliced and diced loops into their own tracks for donkeys years, and created an explosion of new genres and sound. Hip-hop, techno, dark ambient, EDM, ..., all fall into the same category. Machine learning is just another new tool to create something.

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2. melago+q1[view] [source] 2022-12-16 00:44:31
>>NL807+(OP)
last time this happened on human, people are so angry. the guy who copy other artwork even got cancelled by company. but actually not in music region, you are right.
3. pcthro+J1[view] [source] 2022-12-16 00:46:09
>>NL807+(OP)
I'd say it's more similar to an artist drawing influence from another artist, and there is a difference in that the machines can do it much more efficiently.

Personally, I'm all for AI training and using human artwork. I think telling it not to prevents progress/innovation, and that innovation is going to happen somewhere.

If it happens somewhere, humans who live in that somewhere will just use those tools to launder the AI-generated artwork, and companies will hire those offshore humans and reap the benefits, all the while, the effect on local artists' wages is even more negative because now they don't have access to the tools to compete in this ar(tificial intelligence)ms race.

4. random+T1[view] [source] 2022-12-16 00:46:43
>>NL807+(OP)
It’s not stolen. If I create a work mimicking the style of whomever, I’ve not taken anything from them besides an idea. Ideas are not protected. Ideas are the point. If you don’t want to share your ideas, feel free not to.

Most people do not understand the purpose of copyright. Copyright is a bargain between society and the creator. The creator receives limited protection of the work for a limited time. Why is this the deal?

The purpose of copyright is to advance the progress of science and the useful arts. It is to benefit humanity as a whole.

AI takes nothing more than an idea. It does not take a “creative expression fixed in a tangible media”.

5. noober+q6[view] [source] 2022-12-16 01:20:22
>>NL807+(OP)
If I take your source code, copy it and then change the variable names, did I take inspiration or copy it?
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6. NL807+z7[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-12-16 01:28:17
>>noober+q6
That's a false analogy. Variable renames does not change anything, it's still the exact replica of the algorithm in question. Also, in engineering and computer science circles, cloning designs or code is often regarded as an acceptable practice, even encouraged (within the bounds of licensing). And for good reason, if there is a good solution to a problem, then why reinvent the wheel?
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7. numpad+Pg[view] [source] [discussion] 2022-12-16 02:30:53
>>NL807+z7
This discussion hinges solely on whether it’s a false or a true analogy, therefore necessitating a copyright cleared training dataset or not.
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